Finding the work done using force vectors in 3 dimensions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a force vector in three dimensions, specifically involving a force of 3 Newtons acting in the direction of the vector 2i + j + 2k while moving an object from the origin to a point along the y-axis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the representation of force as a vector and its magnitude, questioning how to correctly apply the dot product in the context of work done. There are discussions about the normalization of the force vector and its implications for the final answer.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the calculations involved in determining work done, with some suggesting potential errors in the original answer and others questioning the necessity of considering the force's magnitude in the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the normalization of the force vector and how it relates to the displacement vector. Participants are also discussing the implications of the force's direction and magnitude on the calculation of work.

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Homework Statement


Find the work done by a force of 3 Newtons acting in the direction 2i + j + 2k in moving an object 2 meters from (0, 0, 0) to (0, 2, 0).


Homework Equations


Commonly known vector operations.


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the displacement vector to be 2j.
My problem is figuring out how to represent the direction and magnitude of force as an actual vector.
The answer is (6*SQRT 5)/5 Joules. I don't understand how.
 
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Are you sure that is the right answer?
 
Amok said:
Are you sure that is the right answer?

Positive. This really doesn't make any sense to me.
 
marthkiki said:

Homework Statement


Find the work done by a force of 3 Newtons acting in the direction 2i + j + 2k in moving an object 2 meters from (0, 0, 0) to (0, 2, 0).


Homework Equations


Commonly known vector operations.


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the displacement vector to be 2j.
My problem is figuring out how to represent the direction and magnitude of force as an actual vector.
The answer is (6*SQRT 5)/5 Joules. I don't understand how.

I think that "answer" was gotten using sqrt(2+1+2) to normalize the vector instead of correctly using sqrt(22+12+22). Typo in your answer book.
 
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LCKurtz said:
I think that "answer" was gotten using sqrt(2+1+2) to normalize the vector instead of correctly using sqrt(22+12+22). Typo in your answer book.

That may well be true. If so, is the correct answer 2?
The displacement vector is 2j.

(2i + j + 2k) dot product 2j = 0 + 2j + 0 = 2j. So the correct answer is 2 Joules, correct?
 
That's what I got.
 
Wait where does the magnitude of 3 N come into play? Shouldn't it be multiplied to 2j to get the total work? So you get

W = F*AB
AB = 2j
F = 3(2i + j + 2k) = 6i + 3j + 6k

F dot product AB = 0 + 6j + 0 = 6j. So the work should in fact be 6 Joules, correct?
 
No, you only have to take into account the magnitude of the force in the (0,1,0) direction, because that is that component that is going to be doing all the work! Remember that:

WORK = FORCE dot product DISPLACEMENT
 
marthkiki said:
Wait where does the magnitude of 3 N come into play? Shouldn't it be multiplied to 2j to get the total work? So you get

W = F*AB
AB = 2j
F = 3(2i + j + 2k) = 6i + 3j + 6k

F dot product AB = 0 + 6j + 0 = 6j. So the work should in fact be 6 Joules, correct?

No. A force of 3N is represented by a vector of length 3. Your vector specifying the direction of the force just happens to have length 3 already. That is just a lucky break for this problem. Normally what you would do is multiply a unit vector in the direction of the force by 3.
 

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