Finding third charge coordinates in an equilibrium position

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The discussion revolves around determining the coordinates of a third charge in an equilibrium position within a system of charges. The problem involves understanding the relationships between the coordinates of the charges and the forces acting on them, particularly in a two-dimensional plane.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the reasoning behind the formulas for the coordinates of the third charge, questioning the derivation and the implications of the negative sign in the equations. There are discussions about the necessity of collinearity for equilibrium and the interpretation of angles in the context of the problem.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and prompting further exploration of the assumptions and definitions involved. Some participants have made progress in understanding the angle definitions and their implications, while others are still seeking clarity on the derivation of the coordinate equations.

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Participants are encouraged to create diagrams to visualize the problem, and there is an emphasis on adhering to forum guidelines regarding the presentation of attempts at solutions. The discussion highlights potential misunderstandings regarding angle measurement and the conditions for equilibrium among the charges.

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Homework Statement


Here are the problem statement and the solution. I'm stuck at where the book suggests the formulas for the x and y coordinations (highlighted in yellow) of the third charge. Any explanations or proof on how they came to the conclusion for the third charge coordinations would be much appreciated. Is there an easier solution for this problem?

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The given solution:

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Homework Equations


x3=x2-rcosθ
y3=y2-rsinθ

The Attempt at a Solution


I think it must have something to do with the "point-slope" form of the equation of a straight line, but stuck in finding a reasonable proof.
 
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Lazy, lazy, eh ? Perhaps you can at least make a drawing of the situation and post it, together with a non-empty attempt at solution. You know the guidelines at PF I hope !
 
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You highlighted collinear, so I assume you do not understand why they must be. Draw yourself a diagram of three charges not collinear and consider the forces on one of them. Can those forces be in balance?
 
OK, I've progressed a bit. Now, I don't know why there is also a negative sign before rsinθ in y3=y2-rsinθ.
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AdrianMachin said:
y3=y2-rsinθ
What does the book solution state in parentheses immediately after that? Does that accord with the way you have drawn θ?
 
haruspex said:
What does the book solution state in parentheses immediately after that? Does that accord with the way you have drawn θ?
So it means that the negative sign is because of the fact that sin(-θ)=-sin(θ)?
 
Theta is the angle wrt the negative x-direction. That's all.
 
AdrianMachin said:
So it means that the negative sign is because of the fact that sin(-θ)=-sin(θ)?
Yes.
They define θ as the angle the vector from q3 towards q1 makes to +ve x axis. By convention, that would mean anticlockwise from that axis. Your diagram shows θ measured clockwise from the axis, so your θ is minus their θ.
 
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