Equilibrium of Charges at Circumference of a Circle

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The discussion revolves around the equilibrium of charges placed on the circumference of a circle. The original poster is tasked with determining the relative magnitude of a third charge that would allow the system to achieve equilibrium, given two existing charges positioned at a specific angle from each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of Coulomb's law in the context of forces acting on the charges. Questions arise regarding the value and representation of a variable, ##x##, and the conditions necessary for equilibrium. There is also a discussion about the constraints of the charges being on a non-deformable circle and the need to balance tangential forces.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering insights into the geometric relationships involved and the nature of forces acting on the charges. There is recognition of the misunderstanding regarding the constraints of the problem, and guidance has been provided on how to approach the equilibrium condition in this specific setup.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the constraints of the charges being fixed on the circumference of a circle, which affects how equilibrium is defined in this scenario. Participants are also considering the implications of charge distances in relation to the radius of the circle.

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Homework Statement



Two charges placed at circumference of a circle of radius ##a## at ##\pi/2## from each other. Find the relative magnitude of third charge kept on the circumference such that the system is at equilibrium.

Homework Equations



Coulombs law.

The Attempt at a Solution



Let ##Q## be the unknown charge and ##x## be the length of equal sides of the triangle . then I get,

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By coulombs law,

$$F_{BA} = {-Qq \over x^2 } \left(\cos(135/2)\hat i + \hat j \sin(135/2) \right)$$

$$F_{CA} = {-q^2\over 4x^2(\cos (135/2))}(\hat i) $$Now the force on ##A## should be zero for the system to be in equilibrium but clearly there is a net force in -y direction that is not balanced by anything, so how the system is in equilibrium for any value of ##Q## ?

Where did I go wrong ?
 
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What is the value of ##x##?
 
kuruman said:
What is the value of ##x##?
Numerical value or what it represent in equations ?
 
Buffu said:
Numerical value or what it represent in equations ?
It's OK, I figured it out from the way you used it. I think you misunderstood that the problem requires the charges to be constrained on the circle. Imagine three charged beads on a wire loop, for example. As you correctly discovered, the force on anyone bead cannot be zero. However, if you constrained the charges on the (non-deformable) circle, equilibrium is reached if the net force on anyone bead is directed radially out. Therefore, the task before you is to balance the tangential forces.
 
Upon doing the problem, I think you will benefit from expressing the two charge-to-charge distances in terms of the radius of the circle. To do that, draw the inner right triangle (with its apex at the center) and then use the law of sines.
 
kuruman said:
It's OK, I figured it out from the way you used it. I think you misunderstood that the problem requires the charges to be constrained on the circle. Imagine three charged beads on a wire loop, for example. As you correctly discovered, the force on anyone bead cannot be zero. However, if you constrained the charges on the (non-deformable) circle, equilibrium is reached if the net force on anyone bead is directed radially out. Therefore, the task before you is to balance the tangential forces.

Thank you, I will try and tell you the results.
 

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