First and second order partial derivatives

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The discussion revolves around finding the first and second order partial derivatives of the function f(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2/(y - 1)^2. Participants are exploring the process of calculating these derivatives and clarifying the requirements of the homework assignment.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants suggest calculating the derivatives with respect to one variable while treating the other as constant, leading to a total of six derivatives. Others question whether the derivatives should be found with respect to both variables.

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The discussion is active with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem. There is an exploration of the specific derivatives required, including first and second order derivatives as well as mixed partial derivatives. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered.

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Participants note the original poster's uncertainty about how to begin the problem and the lack of clarity regarding which variables to differentiate with respect to. There is also mention of the original poster's difficulty in expressing the function in LaTeX format.

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Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some help with a question I have.

Homework Statement



We are asked to find the first and second order partial derivatives of

f(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2/(y - 1)^2 (sorry, I don't know how to write this in latex).

I am not really sure how to get started with this, so any help at all would be fantastic.

Thanks

Sean Feely
 
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Just calculate the derivatives in respect to one variable while treating the other variable as if it was a constant. Do this for both variables in different orders and you should get 6 derivatives (2 of the 1st order and 4 of the 2nd order) although two of them will be the same.
 
feely said:
We are asked to find the first and second order partial derivatives of

f(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 4x^2/(y - 1)^2 (sorry, I don't know how to write this in latex).

First and second order partial derivatives with respect to which variable? Both?
 
You are being asked to find \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}},\frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{y},\frac{{\partial ^2 f(x,y)}}{{\partial x^2 }},\frac{{\partial ^2 f(x,y)}}{{\partial y^2 }} and possibly the mixed partial derivative, \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x\partial y}}.

Let's say you have a function f(x,y) = 3x + 2y + 6xy. To find the first partial with respect to x, that is \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}}, you simply pretend y is a constant. Thus, you find the partial with respect to x is \frac{{\partial f(x,y)}}{{\partial x}} = 3 + 6y. Since y is constant, 2y is a constant with respect to x, and thus it goes away when you differentiate with respect to x. The second derivative from there is obviously 0 since the derivative of 3 is 0 and the derivative of 3y is 0 because y is a constant just like the number 3. When you take partials with respect to y, you do the same thing except with x as constant. The first derivative with respect to y would be 2 + 6x and again, the second derivative would be 0.

The mixed partial is a bit different as you switch the order. Either way is fine but you can first take the derivative with respect to x which gives you 3 + 6y. Then you have to take the derivative of y, and since y is no longer a constant, you see that the mixed partial is simply equal to 6. It actually does not matter which way you take your mixed partials, x first y second, y first x second in most cases.
 

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