First nonzero terms of Fourier sine series

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The discussion revolves around finding the first three nonzero terms of the Fourier sine series for the function φ(x) ≡ x on the interval (0, l). Participants are exploring the relationship between the coefficients they have calculated and the sine functions that are part of the series representation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of coefficients for the Fourier sine series and question how these coefficients relate to the sine terms in the series. There is an exploration of the need to multiply the coefficients by the corresponding sine functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have clarified that the coefficients should indeed be multiplied by the sine functions to form the complete sine series. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly express the first three nonzero terms based on the coefficients calculated.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which specifies the need to find a sine series representation rather than just the coefficients. There is mention of a reference exercise from a textbook, which may impose specific expectations on the format of the answer.

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Homework Statement



Consider the function φ(x) ≡ x on (0, l). Find the sum of the first three (nonzero) terms of its Fourier sine series.

Reference: Strauss PDE exercise 5.1.3

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have found the coefficient without difficulty, it is A_{n}= -2l/n\pi cos (n\pi) + 2/n^{2}\pi^{2} sin (n\pi).

When I plug in n=1,2,3; I obtain 2l/\pi, -2l/\pi and 2l/3\pi, respectively.

However the answer is given by: 2l/\pi sin (\pix/l) - 2l/\pi sin (2\pix/l) + 2l/3\pi sin (3\pix/l)

What I found comes from A_{n} for n=1,2,3 but I do not understand which those sine terms come from.

Thanks in advance
 
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frenchkiki said:

Homework Statement



Consider the function φ(x) ≡ x on (0, l). Find the sum of the first three (nonzero) terms of its Fourier sine series.

Reference: Strauss PDE exercise 5.1.3

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



I have found the coefficient without difficulty, it is A_{n}= -2l/n\pi cos (n\pi) + 2/n^{2}\pi^{2} sin (n\pi).

When I plug in n=1,2,3; I obtain 2l/\pi, -2l/\pi and 2l/3\pi, respectively.

However the answer is given by: 2l/\pi sin (\pix/l) - 2l/\pi sin (2\pix/l) + 2l/3\pi sin (3\pix/l)

What I found comes from A_{n} for n=1,2,3 but I do not understand which those sine terms come from.

Thanks in advance

So far you've calculated the coefficients of the sine series. Even saying 'coefficients' means they should multiply something. The sum of the sine series is a function of x. The thing the coefficients multiply is exactly those sine functions your are integrating against. Look at equation 6 here http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FourierSeries.html
 
Dick said:
So far you've calculated the coefficients of the sine series. Even saying 'coefficients' means they should multiply something. The sum of the sine series is a function of x. The thing the coefficients multiply is exactly those sine functions your are integrating against. Look at equation 6 here http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FourierSeries.html

Thank you for your reply.
So that would be sin (n\pix/l) for each corresponding n? Do I need multiply the coefficients by sine because I am asked for a sine series?
 
frenchkiki said:
Thank you for your reply.
So that would be sin (n\pix/l) for each corresponding n? Do I need multiply the coefficients by sine because I am asked for a sine series?

Yes, it's asking you for the sine series. Not just the coefficients.
 
Dick said:
Yes, it's asking you for the sine series. Not just the coefficients.

Alright, so if I get this right, to find the first 3 nonzero terms, I plug in my results for n=1,2,3 in equation 6 and disregard the A_{n} cos (nx) terms since I am asked for the sine series, and A_{0} vanishes so I'm left with B_{n} sin (nx) (A_{n} in my answer). Thanks again
 

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