First Order Differential (Just identify)

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The discussion revolves around identifying methods for solving first-order differential equations. The original poster presents five problems and seeks guidance on the appropriate techniques to apply for each, emphasizing a desire to work through the problems independently.

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  • The original poster attempts to categorize the problems, identifying some as separable or requiring substitution, while expressing uncertainty about others. Participants provide feedback on specific problems, suggesting substitutions and questioning the handling of terms in the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's inquiries, offering suggestions for specific problems while acknowledging the need for further exploration. There is a collaborative atmosphere as participants help clarify methods without providing direct solutions.

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The original poster notes a desire to learn and work through the problems independently, indicating a preference for guidance rather than direct answers. There is also a mention of potential misplacement of the thread within the forum structure.

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Not sure if I should have put this here or in the homework section but I am simply asking for direction on these problems.

I have 5 problems to work on and my biggest problem is identifying what method to use to find the answer. I don't need help answering because it's something I'd like to do myself but have some trouble with as I learn.


Don't know how to use the neat forum stuff yet but will learn as I become part of the community slowly.

Problems to work on...
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9066/matwk8.jpg

Those are the problems and so far I can see...

#1 ?
#2 is a separable equation correct?
#3 ?
#4 is substitution and then exact?

Already marked that one exact since I did it already.
Can't tell which one would follow Bernoulli equation, integrating factor, linear first order.


Thank you to anyone who would kindly reply :x


Edit: Took a look at the rules again and see that this really should belong in the homework section. I'm very sorry, I'll ask an admin/mod to move it.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi Vathral! Welcome to PF! :smile:

For #1, try the obvious substitution. :wink:
 
[tex]x \frac{dy}{dx} - y = \frac{x^3}{y} e^y_x[/tex]

So
[tex]v = \frac{y}{x}[/tex]

[tex]y = vx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{y} = \frac{x}{y}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = v+x \frac{dv}{dx}[/tex]



[tex]x [v + x\frac{dv}{dx}] - vx = \frac{x^2}{v} e^v[/tex]

[tex]xv + x^2 \frac{dv}{dx} - vx = \frac{x^2}{v} e^v[/tex]

[tex]x^2 \frac{dv}{dx} = \frac{x^2}{v} e^v[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dv}{dx} = \frac{e^v}{v}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{vdv}{e^v} = dx[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-v-1}{e^v} = x + c[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-\frac{y}{x}- 1)}{e^y_x} = x + c[/tex]

[tex]- \frac{y}{x} - 1 = (x + c) e^y_x[/tex]

[tex]-y - 1 * x^2 e^y_x + cxe^y_x[/tex]

[tex]y = x^2 e^y_x+cxe^y_x[/tex]

This is for #1 of course. Anyone see anything wrong with the final answer? Thank you for the identifying, would like to take these questions an extra step now.
 
Vathral said:
[tex]- \frac{y}{x} - 1 = (x + c) e^y_x[/tex]

[tex]-y - 1 * x^2 e^y_x + cxe^y_x[/tex]

[tex]y = x^2 e^y_x+cxe^y_x[/tex]

Hi Vathral! :smile:

Fine up until that line :smile:

but what happened to the - 1 on the left? :redface:

For question 3, the only problem is the mixed terms (mixed x and y) …

so start by ignoring the 8x2dx, and try and turn the other two into an exact differential … and then put the 8x2dx back in, of course. :smile:
 

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