First-order RL Circuit analysis

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a first-order RL circuit that includes both a voltage source and a current source. Participants explore concepts related to circuit simplification and the interaction of multiple sources, focusing on theoretical understanding rather than numerical solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about handling a circuit with both a voltage source and a current source simultaneously, noting their prior experience with only one type of source at a time.
  • Another participant suggests using Thevenin and Norton equivalence to convert sources and mentions that combining elements is possible, but emphasizes the need to apply Kirchhoff's and Ohm's laws for analysis.
  • A participant questions whether the two current sources in the circuit combine or subtract, given their directions and the presence of an inductor, indicating uncertainty about their interaction.
  • One participant clarifies that the circuit elements must be in parallel to combine current sources and notes that the sources in the participant's drawing may not be in parallel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the combination of sources, with some advocating for conversion techniques and others questioning the interaction of current sources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific handling of the sources in the circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached consensus on the correct method for analyzing the circuit with multiple sources, and there are unresolved questions about the configuration of the sources and their effects on the circuit behavior.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



I am not really sure which equations would be relevant since my question seems to be more so concepts instead of numbers, so forgive me please :(

I am familiar with how to do just about all of this problem, I am simply baffled as to how I handle the idea of a voltage source and a current source both being there at the same time. I have solved such problems only with one voltage source, or one current source, but never one of each or two of one of them.

The Attempt at a Solution



I see that there is a .5mA source, and a 30mA source. One is going to shoot current one direction into the capacitor, and one is going to shoot. I say a 30mA source because I assume that I can simply turn the 150V source into a 30mA source in parallel with the 5K resistor. Is it really as simple as subtracting .5mA from 30mA and then simply having i be negative? And then once the switch closes, the components to the left of the switch get cut off?

All my other problems on this homework assignment seemed so straight forward, this one is such a curve ball *sigh*

Many thanks! :)
 
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Mohdoo said:
I am familiar with how to do just about all of this problem, I am simply baffled as to how I handle the idea of a voltage source and a current source both being there at the same time. I have solved such problems only with one voltage source, or one current source, but never one of each or two of one of them.
You have a couple of things you can do. You can convert voltage sources into current sources and vice versa using Thevenin and Norton equivalence. If you have two voltage sources in series, you can combine them into one, and if you have two current sources in parallel, you can combine them into one. You could continue to combine elements to simplify the circuit, or you could use Kirchoff's and Ohm's laws to solve for the voltages and currents instead.

The techniques really don't change just because you have multiple sources. What specifically about multiple sources baffles you?

I see that there is a .5mA source, and a 30mA source. One is going to shoot current one direction into the capacitor, and one is going to shoot. I say a 30mA source because I assume that I can simply turn the 150V source into a 30mA source in parallel with the 5K resistor. Is it really as simple as subtracting .5mA from 30mA and then simply having i be negative?
No, it doesn't work that way. You're going to have to work it out.

By the way, it's an inductor, not a capacitor.
 
vela said:
You have a couple of things you can do. You can convert voltage sources into current sources and vice versa using Thevenin and Norton equivalence. If you have two voltage sources in series, you can combine them into one, and if you have two current sources in parallel, you can combine them into one. You could continue to combine elements to simplify the circuit, or you could use Kirchoff's and Ohm's laws to solve for the voltages and currents instead.

Well, I figured that I could simply combine the two current sources. But in this case do they combine or do they subtract from one another? They both point upwards, but following each of them, would they not be going different directions when crossing through the inductor? It seems like the one on the left would be pushing current from left to right, and the one on the right pushing current from right to left. Which one is it? :(
 
You can't combine them unless they're in parallel. I don't know if you've simplified he circuit further, but they're definitely not in parallel in the handwritten drawing.
 

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