First steps after the Higgs Boson

[Buckeye]

Yeah... okay... and this supports your case how, exactly? Higgs = dark matter?

Zz.

You are the one trying to attribute words and ideas to what I write, and I was simply offering an idea or concept that you might hold near and dear which are based on mathematical-physics, not hard measurements.

All I have done is pose a question. Or is my grammar that bad, now that I'm 58?

 

[Buckeye]

But I don't know what "type". All I see is an example. If you ask me what I consider to be "hard evidence", and I say "Measurement of Tc of niobium", would you be able to decipher the "type" of evidence that I seek?

Zz.

For me, it is strange to have a Mentor interact as you do, almost antagonistic. Why?

 

[1mmorta1]

1. the issue of dark matter was brought up in this thread.

2. there is an attempt to undermine the credibility of the evidence on the existence of dark matter based on pure ignorance.

3. you made the claim that it is merely a "thought", and thus, I question you on what really isn't a thought as far as making a detection goes.

I can also seriously question your intentions on here. It appears that there is an underlying agenda to skirt around our rules on speculative posts.

There is a difference between : (i) Hi, what is dark matter and how do we know there are evidence for it? versus (ii) Hi, dark matter is a myth. It is only a thought. It doesn't exist.

(i) is a valid discussion point.

(ii) isn't, and it isn't trying to learn.

Zz.

Regardless of your intentions sir, you have helped further confuse Buckeye.
I am not saying Dark Matter doesn't exist, I'm doing the opposite. I'm explaining to Buckeye that we can't pass DM around in a science class. Its not something where we pointed a "mass detector" (a concept Buckeye hinted at) at the sky and said,

"GEE WIZ LOOK! DARK MATTER!"

If you feel DM is so concrete, explain to me why you cannot tell me the spin of a fundamental particle of DM? Or perhaps the number of Valence electrons in an atom of DM(if it consists of atoms)?

Dark matter is a realization, a difference, just like 3 - 1. A term used to describe something we do not see, but the effects of which we witness. It isn't something we have any level of physical understanding of, the only thing we do "know" about dark matter is its total mass and the effect it has on the universe.

I am not undermining its evidence, I am not saying it doesn't exist. I know dark matter exists for the same reasons you do, and I am trying to explain it to Buckeye.

 

[ZapperZ]

You are the one trying to attribute words and ideas to what I write, and I was simply offering an idea or concept that you might hold near and dear which are based on mathematical-physics, not hard measurements.

All I have done is pose a question. Or is my grammar that bad, now that I'm 58?

How do you know there are no "hard measurements"? After all, you can't define what "hard measurements" are!

You post a "question", but you don't care about the answer. I addressed this early on by the fact that a higgs boson has such a different physics than dark matter. And to consider them to be the same thing has no foundation on what we already know. Of course, if you are going to propose your own theory, then I'm sure you are fully aware of our Rules that you had agreed to.

So what IS the problem now?

If you wish to argue that there are ZERO evidence pointing towards the existence of dark matter, then you are contradicting many observational data that we already have.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0316

Ah, but of course, you left yourself some weasel room here, because you want, ... er... what do you call it, "hard evidence" or "hard measurement"! Since you refused to define what it is, any evidence that I can present can easily be dismissed as being not "hard enough".

This is a highly disingenuous way to "learn", if that is your intention. That's like someone asking for "hard evidence" for evolution, and then proclaiming that it isn't true because it lacks such evidence.

Zz.,

 

[1mmorta1]

For me, it is strange to have a Mentor interact as you do, almost antagonistic. Why?

I noted this as well.

 

[ZapperZ]

For me, it is strange to have a Mentor interact as you do, almost antagonistic. Why?

Antagonistic? I'm trying to pin you down to define something that you have been using. How is that "antagonistic"? Do you think that it isn't a fair question to ask you to explain what you mean?

Zz.

 

[1mmorta1]

Buckeye, to get back on the right track, you are(unfortunately) still looking at things from the wrong point of view. You accept gravity as being real, right?

There has never been an observation of a graviton though...

If you accept the rules governing gravity, then you must accept the evidence for dark matter.

Dark matter MUST exist for the universe to behave the way it does...call it whatever you want. It could be a bunch of space pixies with supermassive wings flying through the galaxy for all I care, the point is that there is SOMETHING with a lot of mass out there in the universe, and we don't see it.

This SOMETHING has been given the name "Dark Matter"