First test of divergence lim n-> n / 8^n

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the series involving the expression n / 8^n. Participants are attempting to analyze the behavior of this series as n approaches infinity, exploring various convergence tests and interpretations.

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  • Participants are questioning the clarity of the problem statement and the reasoning behind the initial guess of 8/49 as a solution. There are attempts to apply the ratio test and L'Hôpital's rule to analyze the limit of the series. Some participants suggest that the series converges and reference D'Alembert's convergence test while discussing the implications of the limit of the ratio of terms.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and references to convergence tests. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the problem statement, and while some participants assert convergence, others are clarifying the original question and the methods being used.

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There is some ambiguity in the problem statement, with participants questioning whether the original poster intended to calculate the sum of the series from n=0 to infinity. The discussion includes references to specific convergence tests and series properties, but no consensus has been reached on the exact approach or interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement


n / 8^n

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It converges to 8 / 49? Not sure how.

First test of divergence
lim n-> n / 8^n. infinity / infinity = 1. BUT bottom grows fast.
Using L`Hospital
lim n -> 1 / 3*8^n*ln(2) ---> goes to 0

Tried to use the ratio test

[ 1 / 3*8^(n+1)*ln(2) ] * [ 3*8^n*ln(2) ]
1/8 is left from the ratio test
 
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What do you mean by "n / 8^n".
This is not a clear problem statement.
And how did you come to guessing the solution as 8/49?

Do you mean you have to calculate Sum[n / 8^n,{n,0,Infinity}] ?
If this is what you mean, then indeed 8/49 is the correct answer.
(I did more effort to guess what you meant than yourself to explain your need)

My hint:

Sum[1 / 8^n,{n,0,Infinity}] is an easy series
Sum[1 / 8^(x*n),{n,0,Infinity}] is just as easy
Sum[n / 8^(x*n),{n,0,Infinity}] is related to the previous one by a simple operation
Sum[n / 8^n,{n,0,Infinity}] is a special case of the previous
 
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lalbatros said:
My hint:

Sum[1 / 8^n,{n,0,Infinity}] is an easy series
Sum[1 / 8^(x*n),{n,0,Infinity}] is just as easy
Sum[n / 8^(x*n),{n,0,Infinity}] is related to the previous one by a simple operation
Sum[n / 8^n,{n,0,Infinity}] is a special case of the previous
That's cute. I would have used (x/8)^n, myself.
 
this series obviously converges.
Here is a little analysis on how to come to this conclusion.
Are you familiar with Dallambers covergence test( i am not sure if it is spelled dallamber, however)?
It states that if limn->infinity a_(n+1)/a_n is larger than 1 it diverges, if it is smaller than 1, and positive it converges. so

lim n->infinitya_n+1/a_n=lim n->infinity[8^n(n+1)]/[8n*8^n]=lim n->infinity(n+1)/8n=1/8<1, so the series converges
 
d'Alembert's ratio test
see wiki
 

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