Flaw in Traveling to Destination Several Thousand Light Years Away

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the implications of traveling to a destination several thousand light years away at near-light speed, focusing on the effects of time dilation and space contraction as described by relativity theory. Participants explore the perspectives of both the traveler and observers at the destination, examining how time and events are perceived differently in each frame of reference.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant describes a scenario where a traveler experiences only a few years of travel time due to time dilation, while observers at the destination perceive the journey as lasting thousands of years.
  • Another participant notes that the destination observers will not be aware of the traveler's approach until shortly before arrival, suggesting that many generations will pass before they see him.
  • One participant expresses agreement with the initial scenario, indicating that it aligns with expectations based on relativity theory.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the "relativity of simultaneity," explaining that observers in different frames of reference have differing perceptions of time and events, including what is considered "now."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree that the scenario accurately reflects the principles of relativity, there is an ongoing exploration of the implications of these principles, particularly regarding the perception of time and simultaneity. The discussion remains open with no consensus on potential flaws in the initial reasoning.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities of relativistic travel, including the differing perceptions of time and events between the traveler and observers at the destination. There are unresolved aspects regarding how these perceptions interact and the implications for understanding the journey.

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Where has my thinking gone wrong in the following?

A man begins traveling to a destination several thousand light years away, accelerating to a velocity of near-light speed. Time dilations and space contractions would result in the trip lasting only a few years from his perspective. From the perspective of people at the destination point, the trip would last longer than the time it would take for light to traverse several thousand light years. Hence, many generations of people at the destination would come and go over the course of the trip, which would only be few years for the traveler.

Where is the flaw here? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Constantine said:
Where has my thinking gone wrong in the following?

A man begins traveling to a destination several thousand light years away, accelerating to a velocity of near-light speed. Time dilations and space contractions would result in the trip lasting only a few years from his perspective. From the perspective of people at the destination point, the trip would last longer than the time it would take for light to traverse several thousand light years. Hence, many generations of people at the destination would come and go over the course of the trip, which would only be few years for the traveler.

Where is the flaw here? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The people at the destination won't know that the man is coming their way until just a few years before he arrives. Many generations will pass from the time he leaves until they see him leave. At that time they will see him come towards him very quickly and they will see time on his spaceship progress very rapidly. After they see him leave and after he arrives, they can calculate when he left according to their rest frame and they will establish that he left several thousand years earlier.
 
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No flaw - that's what I'd expect.

What's bothering you about it?
 
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Thank you, Ibix. Embarrassingly, a lack confidence prompted my post. I wanted to confirm that my account of what would happen under the specified conditions is consistent with relativity theory. I appreciate your response.
 
Concur with Ibix. The scenario accurately describes a relativistic rocket trip.
 
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You might want to look up "relativity of simultaneity", which is the third element of the description of a relativistic trip. Not only do observers in relative motion disagree on distances and elapsed times between events, they disagree on what is "now". So according to observers on the origin and destination planets, calendars on the two planets show the same dates. According to the traveller, however, the calendars do not agree.

The disagreements over distance, elapsed time and what is "now" are always add up to a coherent picture of the trip from any perspective.
 
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I will. Thanks again.
 

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