Flow of a Non Viscous Fluid Through this Nozzle

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The discussion revolves around the flow of a non-viscous fluid through a nozzle, focusing on the relationships between various dimensions and velocities in a conical setup. Participants are attempting to derive expressions involving the thickness of a layer and the ratios of radii and velocities.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring the relationships between the dimensions of the cone and the velocities of the fluid at different points. There are attempts to express the results algebraically in terms of the thickness of the second layer, Δz*.

Discussion Status

Multiple interpretations of the problem statement are being explored, with participants questioning the assumptions and definitions related to the ratios of the radii and the corresponding velocities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of similar triangles and area ratios.

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Participants mention specific values for L and Δz, and there is an ongoing discussion about the implications of these values on the relationships being derived. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the problem statement and seeks clarification on the relationships between the various dimensions.

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Homework Statement
Determine the second layer's thickness
Relevant Equations
A1V1=A2V2
V2/V1=(R1ˇ2)/(R2ˇ2)
My first post here!
I have calculated everything i need, except the thickness of the second layer dZ*, therefore i can't solve V3/V2=(R2ˇ2)/(R3ˇ2)
Trying for days now, i would appreciate any help.
 

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The problem statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I guess they expect you to express the result algebraically in terms of ##\Delta z^*##.
 
Chestermiller said:
The problem statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I guess they expect you to express the result algebraically in terms of ##\Delta z^*##.
The way I read it, we are to find R1:R2, and hence v1:v2, in terms of L and Δz.
@rekordido11, think about the ratios between the complete cone and the cone from A2 to the point in respect of lengths and base radii.
 
Thank you Haruspex! I'm thinking..
I forgot to mention that i have given values for L=0.1m and Δz = 0.201m and R1=0.01m
Is R1/R2 = R2/R3 ?
 
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rekordido11 said:
Is R1/R2 = R2/R3 ?
No.
Don't worry about R3 yet. You already figured out that to answer the first part you need the ratio of the two areas, A1:A2.
Look at the diagram showing those areas within the whole cone. Think about similar triangles. What equation can you write relating R1, R2, L and Δz?
 
haruspex said:
No.
Don't worry about R3 yet. You already figured out that to answer the first part you need the ratio of the two areas, A1:A2.
Look at the diagram showing those areas within the whole cone. Think about similar triangles. What equation can you write relating R1, R2, L and Δz?
R1/R2 = L/(L-dZ)
therefore R2/R3 = (L-dZ)/(L-dZ-dZ*)?
 
rekordido11 said:
R1/R2 = L/(L-dZ)
therefore R2/R3 = (L-dZ)/(L-dZ-dZ*)?
Right, but you are asked for the velocity ratio.
How will you find Δz*?
 
Δz* = L-Δz-(the length of the cone with R3)

V2/V3 = (L-Δz)/(the length of the cone with R3)
Am i right?
 
rekordido11 said:
Δz* = L-Δz-(the length of the cone with R3)
True, so can you find the length of the cone with R3?.
rekordido11 said:
V2/V3 = (L-Δz)/(the length of the cone with R3)
No. In your original attempt you had a correct equation involving the velocities.
 
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i solved the problem successfully with your help!
my professor approved :)
thank you very much sir!
 

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