Flow of charges in a conductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the behavior of charges in a spherical conductor, particularly addressing why charges do not flow across the surface and the implications of electric fields in electrostatic equilibrium. It explores concepts related to electric fields, charge distribution, and energy conservation in the context of conductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that charges on a spherical conductor reside on the surface, leading to a perpendicular electric field and no parallel component, questioning why this flow is not feasible.
  • Others argue that the flow of charge through the conductor results in Joule heating, which cannot be sustained without external energy, indicating a non-equilibrium situation.
  • A participant suggests that if a mechanism exists to compensate for heat loss, a parallel electric field component could exist.
  • Some participants note that the charge redistribution occurs until the parallel electric field vanishes, which they claim happens in about a microsecond.
  • One participant explains that the absence of a tangential electric field component is due to the nature of equipotential surfaces, where all points on the conductor's surface are at the same potential.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a parallel electric field component might exist and the implications of charge flow, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the nature of electric fields, charge distribution, and the implications of energy conservation are not fully explored, leaving certain aspects of the discussion unresolved.

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in the case of a spherical conductor the charges reside on the surface...the electric field is perpendicular to this surface (radial) and no parallel component exists ,as it leads to the flow of charges across the surface...why is this flow not feasible i.e why does the parallel component vanish??..what is wrong with the charges flowing across the surface?
 
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Because charge flowing through the conductor (electric current) leads to the emission of Joule heat as a dissipative process. This process cannot be supported for indefinite time if no external energy sources compensate the energy loss. Thus, it is a non-equilibrium situation. In equilibrium, there should not be any electric current. According to Ohms law, there should not be a parallel electric field component.
 
to say the same thing again: if the charges are moving,...wait a moment. They'll reach equilibrium which, presumable, is what you're interested in if its an electrostatics problem.
 
Dickfore said:
Because charge flowing through the conductor (electric current) leads to the emission of Joule heat as a dissipative process. This process cannot be supported for indefinite time if no external energy sources compensate the energy loss. Thus, it is a non-equilibrium situation. In equilibrium, there should not be any electric current. According to Ohms law, there should not be a parallel electric field component.

okay...so this happens to avoid the violation of the law of conservation of energy??... if i have some mechanism by which i can compensate the heat loss will there exist a parallel component?
 
abhiroop_k said:
okay...so this happens to avoid the violation of the law of conservation of energy??... if i have some mechanism by which i can compensate the heat loss will there exist a parallel component?

Yes, just attach a battery via two wires connected to two points on the surface of the sphere.
 
abhiroop_k said:
in the case of a spherical conductor the charges reside on the surface...the electric field is perpendicular to this surface (radial) and no parallel component exists ,as it leads to the flow of charges across the surface...why is this flow not feasible i.e why does the parallel component vanish??..what is wrong with the charges flowing across the surface?
The charge will flow until the parallel E field vanishes. This takes about a microsecond.
Then E parallel is zero.
 
clem said:
The charge will flow until the parallel E field vanishes. This takes about a microsecond.
Then E parallel is zero.

what causes it to vanish?...i.e is it a field in the opposite direction?
 
The redistribution of the charges on the surface conductor is such that it makes the field satisfy the following two conditions:

1. There is no electric field in the body of the conductor, which according to Gauss's Law implies that there are no charges in the body of the conductor, i.e. they are all distributed on its surface;

2. There is no tangential component of the electric field to the surface. We know that the equipotential surfaces are always perpendicular to the electric field (because the electric field is the negative gradient of the electric potential and the the gradient of a function is always perpendicular to the level surfaces of the function). Thus, the conducting surface is an equipotential surface, i.e. all point on the surface of a conductor are at the same potential.
 
thanks..
 

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