Flow of Water in a plastic bottle

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The discussion revolves around the flow of water from a plastic bottle when the lid is removed and the subsequent cessation of flow when the lid is replaced. The subject area includes fluid dynamics, particularly focusing on pressure differences and the behavior of liquids in response to changes in pressure.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between air pressure and fluid flow, questioning how pressure changes affect the water's ability to flow from the bottle. Some participants consider the Bernoulli effect and the implications of a vacuum forming inside the bottle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering insights into the pressure dynamics at play. There are multiple interpretations of how air pressure affects the water flow, and some participants seek clarification on the mechanics of pressure differences inside and outside the bottle.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about air pressure and its role in fluid dynamics, particularly in a closed system like a plastic bottle. There is an exploration of how the volume of air changes as water exits the bottle.

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Homework Statement


You open the plastic bottle lid to take a drink,and notice fluid flowing from a small hole in the bottom of the bottle. You put the lid back on and the flow stops.
Explain why the flow did not start until the lid was off.
Explain why the flow stopped when the lid was put back on.

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I thought that this has something to do with the pressure and the continuity of flow because liquids are non compressible but it's still not making sense to me. Could this be something about the Bernoulli effect?
 
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What will happen to the air above water (volume and pressure) if some water will come off the small hole ?
 
So is it that because when the lid is closed there are no air pressure acting on the water and also air pressure from outside is acting on the small hole so that keeps the water in?
 
xorisa said:
So is it that because when the lid is closed there are no air pressure acting on the water and also air pressure from outside is acting on the small hole so that keeps the water in?
No. If some water goes out when the lid is on, a slight vacuum starts to develop in the head space.
 
Can you elaborate on that? My understanding is that because the lid is on, the air pressure on the outside is equal to the air pressure inside, and because the air pressure is pushing on the bottle on all sides, thus the water stays in the bottle.
 
xorisa said:
Can you elaborate on that? My understanding is that because the lid is on, the air pressure on the outside is equal to the air pressure inside, and because the air pressure is pushing on the bottle on all sides, thus the water stays in the bottle.
The air pressure on the inside is less than the air pressure on the outside. This is because when some water leaves the volume of the air inside increases. So it's pressure drops.
 
Mostly it happens due to the pressure difference between outside and inside. The pressure inside the bottle is less than the atmospheric pressure; hence there is no force to push the water from inside.
 
Cryston Waston said:
Mostly it happens due to the pressure difference between outside and inside. The pressure inside the bottle is less than the atmospheric pressure; hence there is no force to push the water from inside.
Isn't that what I said in post #6?
 

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