Fluid Dynamics: Pressure / Opening a hatch underwater

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The discussion centers on calculating the force required to open a submarine hatch under water, where the external pressure is 2 atm and the internal pressure is 1 atm. The correct formula to use is F = (Po - Pi)S, where Po is the external pressure, Pi is the internal pressure, and S is the surface area of the hatch. The force required to open the hatch is determined by the difference in pressure, which in this case is 1 atm. This clarification corrects a common misconception regarding the reliance solely on external pressure.

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  • Understanding of fluid dynamics principles
  • Familiarity with pressure calculations in physics
  • Knowledge of force and area relationships (F = PA)
  • Basic grasp of atmospheric pressure measurements
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Farzan
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Let's say that you're deep under the surface of the water in a submarine type thing.

There is a hatch on the top.

Let's say that the absolute pressure on the top of the hatch was calculated to be 2 atm.

Inside the vessel, the pressure is only 1 atm.

Someone is inside the vessel and the force needed to open the hatch must be calculated.

Do you need to take into account the pressure inside the vessel?

P = F/A

Do you plug in 2 atm, or 1 atm?

My physics teacher said that you only look at the pressure on the outside, but he does not remember why.
 
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Farzan said:
My physics teacher said that you only look at the pressure on the outside, but he does not remember why.

Then why is he teaching physics? :confused:
I know pretty much nothing about anything, but I do know that the force required to open the hatch is based upon the ratio of interior/exterior pressure.
 
Danger said:
... the force required to open the hatch is based upon the ratio of interior/exterior pressure.

Not the ratio. The difference: F= (Po-Pi)S
 
Good catch. I have to start being more accurate in my terminology. After a few beers I get sloppy.
 
Wouldn't you take the difference in pressure? You have 2 atm pushing in and 1 atm pushing out, requiring you to push through 1 atm to open the hatch, right?
 
Deathwing said:
Wouldn't you take the difference in pressure? You have 2 atm pushing in and 1 atm pushing out, requiring you to push through 1 atm to open the hatch, right?
Realize that you are responding to a thread that's been dormant for almost a year. In any case, the point about needing the difference in pressure was made by lpfr in post #3.
 

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