Fluid Dynamics: Pressure / Opening a hatch underwater

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the force required to open a hatch underwater, specifically considering the pressures inside and outside the vessel. It explores the principles of fluid dynamics and pressure differentials in a theoretical context.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to consider the absolute pressure inside (1 atm) or outside (2 atm) the vessel when calculating the force needed to open the hatch.
  • Another participant asserts that the force required is based on the difference in pressure between the inside and outside, suggesting the formula F = (Po - Pi)S.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to be precise in terminology regarding pressure differences.
  • One participant reiterates that the difference in pressure is crucial, stating that with 2 atm pushing in and 1 atm pushing out, one must account for the 1 atm difference to open the hatch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the difference in pressure is relevant to the force calculation, but there is some confusion regarding the terminology and the initial approach to the problem. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants clarify their understanding and correct each other.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the initial approach to the problem, particularly regarding whether to consider absolute pressures or the pressure differential. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings in the teaching of the concept.

Farzan
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Let's say that you're deep under the surface of the water in a submarine type thing.

There is a hatch on the top.

Let's say that the absolute pressure on the top of the hatch was calculated to be 2 atm.

Inside the vessel, the pressure is only 1 atm.

Someone is inside the vessel and the force needed to open the hatch must be calculated.

Do you need to take into account the pressure inside the vessel?

P = F/A

Do you plug in 2 atm, or 1 atm?

My physics teacher said that you only look at the pressure on the outside, but he does not remember why.
 
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Farzan said:
My physics teacher said that you only look at the pressure on the outside, but he does not remember why.

Then why is he teaching physics? :confused:
I know pretty much nothing about anything, but I do know that the force required to open the hatch is based upon the ratio of interior/exterior pressure.
 
Danger said:
... the force required to open the hatch is based upon the ratio of interior/exterior pressure.

Not the ratio. The difference: F= (Po-Pi)S
 
Good catch. I have to start being more accurate in my terminology. After a few beers I get sloppy.
 
Wouldn't you take the difference in pressure? You have 2 atm pushing in and 1 atm pushing out, requiring you to push through 1 atm to open the hatch, right?
 
Deathwing said:
Wouldn't you take the difference in pressure? You have 2 atm pushing in and 1 atm pushing out, requiring you to push through 1 atm to open the hatch, right?
Realize that you are responding to a thread that's been dormant for almost a year. In any case, the point about needing the difference in pressure was made by lpfr in post #3.
 

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