Fluid Mechanics: 2 Connected Cylinders w/ Different Diameters

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of water in two connected cylindrical tubes of different diameters when subjected to the same pressure. Participants explore concepts related to fluid mechanics, including pressure definitions, flow dynamics, and the implications of Bernoulli's Principle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether water will flow in the tubes when the same pressure is applied to both surfaces, considering the different diameters.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the definition of pressure and whether it is uniform in a closed system, ignoring fluid weight.
  • A participant suggests that since the larger surface area experiences a greater force due to pressure (F = PA), water should flow towards the smaller surface area, but this contradicts their experimental observation of no flow.
  • Concerns are raised about friction potentially preventing flow, despite the application of Bernoulli's Principle, which implies that equal pressures and heights should lead to equal velocities.
  • A later reply emphasizes that flow requires a pressure gradient and questions whether identical pressures were truly applied, considering the effects of gravity and hydrostatic pressure differences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether water will flow under the given conditions, with some suggesting that friction and pressure gradients play significant roles, while others reference Bernoulli's Principle. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the actual behavior of the water in the tubes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge potential limitations in their understanding of pressure application and the effects of gravity on pressure gradients, which may influence the flow behavior.

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Hi, we are doing an experiment and encountered the following problem

We have two cylindrical tubes connected together and the two tubes have different diameters (laying horizonally on the table, for example). So if we put water into the tubes and apply the same pressure to the two water surfaces (each with the same diameter as the two tubes, ie. one is smaller than the other). Will the water start flowing in the tubes this case? If so, which direction will it flow?
 
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What is the definition of pressure?
Ignoring for the moment the weight of the fluid - in a closed system is the pressure the same everywhere?
 
mgb_phys said:
What is the definition of pressure?
Ignoring for the moment the weight of the fluid - in a closed system is the pressure the same everywhere?


Basically what we are thinking is it that since one has a larger surface area than the other one and the pressures are the same for both water surfaces, and F = PA, so force is larger on the bigger surface area than the smaller one. So the water should flow in the direction of the smaller surface.

We did the experiment and the water didn't flow, so we thought it's probably because of friction?

But then according to Bernulli's Principle, as long as the pressure are the same and the height are the same, then the velocity should be the same. But since the surface areas are different, obviously the velocity shouldn't be the same if it indeed flows. So Bernulli's principle says the water shouldn't flow?

That's why we are really confused...
 
Flow only occurs if there is a pressure gradient, and you needed to apply different forces in order to apply identical pressures to the two surfaces.

I assume that when you say both ends of the compound tube are at the same pressure, you are taking into account gravity as well- otherwise there will be a pressure gradient due to the difference in hydrostatic pressure.
 

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