Fluid Mechanics: Tilted Axes and Weight of Gate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on a fluid mechanics problem involving a homogeneous gate hinged at one point and resting on a smooth bottom. Participants explore the relationship between the height of water and the forces acting on the gate, particularly in the context of using tilted axes for calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The initial approach involves setting the total moment at a hinge point to zero, equating the moments caused by glycerine and water, but the participant notes complications due to the weight of the mass.
  • One participant suggests that the choice of axes may complicate the problem unnecessarily.
  • Another participant mentions that using regular axes was more difficult and that the professor advised using tilted axes for tilted gates.
  • A later reply discusses the relationships between differential changes in depth, pressure, and distance along the gate, indicating a mathematical exploration of the problem.
  • The participant concludes that they figured out the question and arrived at the correct answer, but does not provide details on the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the best approach to the problem, as participants express differing opinions on the choice of axes and the complexity of the calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the geometry of the fluid height and the implications of their chosen coordinate system on the calculations. There are unresolved aspects related to the integration of pressure and the relationship between differentials in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


AB is homogeneous with mass of 180 kg, goes 1.2m in the page and is hinged at A and resting on aa smooth bottom at B. All fluids at 20 C. Find height of water that will result on 0 force at B


Homework Equations


M_s = \int\int_s \ (\vec{r} \times \hat{n} )PdA
\frac{dP}{dy} = \rho \vec{g}

The Attempt at a Solution


The approach I am using to solve this problem is that the total moment caused at point is equal to 0. Therefore the moment caused by glycerine must be equal to the moment caused by water. The problem with this approach is that it neglects the weight of the mass. The bigger problem I have is that I can't seem to work with the axes. I know that the origin has to be at A. If I choose to set the positive z axis downwards along AB and the positive x-axis perpendicular to AB towards the left, the positive y-axis will go into the page. With axes defined the parts of the equation for pressure are \vec{r} = z\hat{k} and \hat{n} = \hat{i} I found \vec{g} = \ -gcos(60) \vec{i} + gsin(60)\vec{k} I am having trouble working out the geometry of the height of the fluid. Can someone check what I already have and help me with the height vector and dA?
 

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I think your choice of axes is going to make solving this problem more complicated than it needs to be.
 
Already tried is using regular axes. They made it even harder. Also my prof said to use tilted axes for tilted gates
 
You're on the right track. How is dz along the gate related to a differential change in depth dD?How is a differential change in pressure dp related to a differential change in depth, dD? How is a differential change in pressure related to a differential distance dz along the gate?

Chet
 
dD = dz \ sin(60) \\ <br /> P = \rho gdD \\<br /> dP = \rho g sin(60) dz
I think I did this right. Anyways I actually figured the question out and got the right answer around the time I made my last post. Thanks for the help though
 

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