Fluid pressure; inclined angle

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The discussion revolves around fluid pressure on an inclined surface submerged in a fluid. Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation of fluid force on surfaces at various angles to the vertical, particularly focusing on the implications of the secant function in the context of inclined planes.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to understand the role of the sec(theta) term in the fluid force equation and how it modifies the calculations for inclined surfaces compared to vertical surfaces. Questions arise regarding the effects of additional submersion depth on the calculations and the interpretation of angles in the context of fluid pressure.

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Some participants have shared their attempts at formulating the problem mathematically, including various integrals and considerations for additional depth. There is an ongoing exploration of potential errors in calculations, particularly in relation to a specific problem involving a pool with an inclined bottom. Guidance has been offered in terms of referencing external examples, but no consensus on the correct approach or resolution has been reached.

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Participants are working under constraints such as the need for clarity on trigonometric concepts without prior knowledge, and limitations in visual aids due to the environment in which the discussion is taking place. There is also mention of specific numerical results that differ from expected outcomes, prompting further investigation into potential mistakes in the setup or calculations.

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I can do vertically submerged fluid force problems. One portion of my book says:
If a flat surface is immersed so that it makes an angle of [itex]0 \leq \theta \geq \frac{\pi}{2}[/itex] with the vertical, then the fluid force on the surface is given by:
[itex]F=\int^b_a \rho h(x)w(x)sec\theta dx[/itex]

Can someone explain exactly what the sec(theta) is giving me; how exactly this equation changing the original equation of a vertically submerged surface. I never took trig., so please dumb it down in that area



If it helps, just made a diagram. Is this the correct angle in the equation?
 

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ok I've found a good explanation here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Mi...&resnum=6&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

on page 490, now how does it change if we submerge a flat inclined plane further underwater, such that the top of the figure no longer "just touches" the water surface?

It would seem to me that if the figure were submerged an additional 4 feet, and our height became y+4, the sec(@) or sin@, whatever we choose our reference to be, would scew that plus 4 height
 
I've tried these:

(d = additional height object is sumberged below top of fluid)
[itex] \int^b_a \rho w(x) h(x+d)sec\theta dx[/itex]

[itex] \rho V + \int^b_a \rho w(x)h(x+d)sec\theta dx[/itex]
(The V here being the volume of water above the submerged surface)
[itex] \rho V + \int^b_a \rho w(x)h(x)sec\theta dx[/itex]
[itex] \rho V + \int^b_a \rho w(x)h(x+d)sec\theta dx[/itex]


But none of them seem to work.
 
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Ok, i might as well come out with the problem. Please find my error:
A pool is 10 ft wide and 16 ft long, One end has a depth of 4 feet, the other end has a depth of 8 ft (therefore, the bottom of the pool makes an inclined surface) Find the Total Fluid pressure on the pool's bottom.

I can't make a picture right now, due to limitations of this computer (I'm on a Navy Ship, the computer doesn't have paint)

so basically an inclined plane submerged 4 feet.

For a visual, follow along with the last example of this:
http://www.phengkimving.com/calc_of_one_real_var/12_app_of_the_intgrl/12_09_force_exrtd_by_a_fluid.htm"
I'm following this example word for word and still missing something

I'f I go down the shallow end a height h, and follow it over to the inclined surface I get a small dh that forms a rectangle with width dw

[itex]cos\theta = \frac{dh}{dw}[/itex]
[itex]dw=\frac{dh}{cos\theta }[/itex]
by similar triangles, [itex]cos\theta = \frac{4}{\sqrt{4^2+16^2}}[/itex]
[itex]cos \theta = \frac{1}{\sqrt{17}}[/itex]
Therefore[itex]dw= \sqrt{17} dh[/itex]------------------------(1)
now the little rectangle has an area dA such that:
[itex]dA=dw10[/itex] from (1): [itex]dA=10\sqrt{17} dh[/itex]

Weight Densiy is [itex]\rho = 62.4[/itex] therefore,
Since Pressure is weight density x Height, the Pressure on this rectangle at depth h+4 is [itex]\rho (h+4) = 62.4(h+4)[/itex]

Force=Pressure x Area The force dF on this rectangl is:
[itex]dF=(62.4)(h+4)(dA)= 62.4 (h+4) 10 \sqrt{17}[/itex]

That was on ONE rectangle, to get the Total Force, take the integral
[itex]\int^4_0 624\sqrt{17}(h+4) dh[/itex]
[itex]624\sqrt{17}(\frac{h^2}{2}+4h)\mid^4_0 [/math]<br /> This gives me:61,747<br /> ACTUAL ANSWER: 63,648<br /> <br /> What went Wrong?[/itex]
 
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