Flux integral over a closed surface

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The discussion revolves around Gauss' law in electrostatics, specifically focusing on the flux integral of an electric field over closed surfaces and its dependence on the charge within those surfaces. Participants explore the implications of this law beyond spherical surfaces and question the underlying principles that support its validity for various geometries.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the electric field and surface area, particularly in the context of spherical symmetry. Some question how Gauss' law applies to surfaces lacking symmetry, such as cylindrical surfaces. Others suggest that the law's validity is rooted in the divergence theorem and the behavior of electric fields.

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The discussion is active, with participants presenting different perspectives on the application of Gauss' law. Some provide insights into the mathematical foundations, while others express uncertainty about the implications of symmetry in various scenarios. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of inquiry are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of applying Gauss' law to different geometries and questioning the assumptions that underlie its general applicability. There is an acknowledgment that not all electric fields exhibit a 1/r² dependence, which adds to the complexity of the discussion.

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So we recently began electrostatics and here you encounter Gauss' law saying that the flux integral of an electric field E over a closed surface is only dependent on the charge confined within the surface.

Now for a sphere that's pretty obvious why. Because since the field gets weaker proportional to 1/r2 but the area gets bigger proportional to r2 evidently those two things should cancel.

However! It is common knowledge that Gauss' law works for all kinds of surfaces, as long as they are closed. How can I realize that must be true? Because somehow it all hinges on the fact that the area gets bigger proportional to r2, and it is definitely not intuitive for me, that that should be true.
 
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I don't think that you can make that kind of sense of gauss law, but you always choose the surface exhibiting the most symmetry in your problem i.e. you make up a surface sourrounding the charge and find the field. And not all fields goes like 1/r^2, how about a line charge exhibiting cylindrical symmetry?
 
hmm.. I don't see what you mean. Everything hinges the symmetry of the 1/r2 and you can always break your field up into a superposition of fields that go like 1/r2.

Indeed Gauss' law holds for all closed surfaces.
 
Gauss's law is nothing but the divergence theorem which says the flux of a vector field over any closed surface is equal to the divergence of the vector field integrated over the volume. For electric field, the divergence is the charge density, which integrates to total charge enclosed. If you deform your surface from one to another, as long as you don't cross any charges, the total flux over the two surfaces are the same.
 

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