Focal Curve of an Achromatic Doublet

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The discussion revolves around the determination of the focal curve of an achromatic doublet, specifically focusing on a configuration where a biconvex Flint Glass lens is paired with a plano-concave crown glass lens. Participants explore the implications of this design choice on the optical performance, particularly in relation to the C and F Fraunhofer lines.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach to calculating the optical powers of the lenses using specific formulas and assumptions about the lens configuration.
  • Another participant questions the omission of lens spacing and thickness in the initial formulas provided, suggesting that these factors are crucial for accurate modeling.
  • A later reply clarifies that the lenses are treated as thin lenses in contact, asserting that the initial formulas are appropriate under this assumption.
  • One participant presents an alternative interpretation of the design, discussing the implications of using a flint-first versus a crown-first configuration and the resulting optical powers.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the focal curve determination, indicating that their results yield a focal shift that is unexpectedly close to zero across the visible spectrum, contrary to expectations.
  • Participants reference Cauchy's equations for modeling the refractive indices of the glasses involved, providing specific parameters for both the Flint and Crown glasses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the correct configuration and implications of the doublet design. Multiple competing views and interpretations of the optical properties and calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions made about lens thickness and spacing, which may affect the accuracy of the calculations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of achieving the desired focal characteristics across the visible spectrum.

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I have a problem with the determination of the correct focal curve of an achromatic double.

I'm considering here a doublet formed by a biconvex Flint Glass lens attached to a plano-concave crown glass lens. ( I know that the typical design of the doublet is a biconvex crown lens attach to a plano-concave flint glass lens. but here I'm interested in the opposite.)

I'm also assuming that I aim to achromatize the C and F Fraunhofer lines.

The optical powers of the two lenses are:
P1 = n_flint * (1/R1-1/R2)
P2 = n_crown*(1/R3) [ I assume that R4=∞, since this is a plano-concave lens ]

I also know the optical power (Pt) of my system at the D Fraunhofer line.

The classic textbook formulas say that the conditions required to design a doublet are:

P1 = Pt * Δ2/(Δ2-Δ1)
P2 = -Pt * Δ1/(Δ2-Δ1)

Where Δi = (ni_F - ni_C) / (ni_D-1) ( i=1,2 stands for the first or second lens, respectively), and n_F, n_C and n_D are the refractive indexes of the respective glass.
We have 2 equations and 3 unknowns ( R1,R2 and R3), so in order to solve this problem I must choose an arbitrary radius R1 for example.

My problem is that after I solve the system and find the required radius, when I plot the focal shift of my system it yields a focal shift of 1*10^-15 in the whole visible spectrum, when in theory the focal shift should only be zero valued for the C and F lines..

Can anyone Explain me what I'm doing wrong?

Thank you in advance.
 
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I'm having trouble following your 'textbook formula'- where is the lens spacing (and lens thickness) specified? Kingslake's book even works out a flint-in-front doublet.
 
Andy Resnick said:
I'm having trouble following your 'textbook formula'- where is the lens spacing (and lens thickness) specified? Kingslake's book even works out a flint-in-front doublet.

You are right, but I forgot to mention that the lenses are thin lenses and that they are in contact with each other. In this case, the formulas I mentioned are the correct ones.
 
joaocosta23 said:
You are right, but I forgot to mention that the lenses are thin lenses and that they are in contact with each other. In this case, the formulas I mentioned are the correct ones.

You can find the formulas here: http://pt.scribd.com/doc/58102523/138/Achromatic-Doublet-Lens-Design

but they can also be found for example in the classical book Principles of Optics of Max Born and Wolf..
 
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Thanks- the reference helped me a lot.

Ok, so I got a different solution from you. Using the numbers from the referenced book, the total optical power \phi = 1/254 = 0.0039 and the Abbe numbers for the front flint and back crown are 36.3 and 64.5, respectively.

I can interpret your design in two ways: either the front element is a (hopefully biconvex) flint, or the front element is a plano-convex crown.

For a flint-first, I get that the flint must have negative power, because Va < Vb. You can make it a biconcave, but it cannot be biconvex or even plano-convex

For a plano-convex front crown, the optical powers \phi_{a} and \phi_{b} of the two elements are the same as 'normal' (0.009 and -0.0051), but again the flint element must have a negative power and cannot be biconvex.

Does this help? Or am I missing something?
 
Thank you so much for your quick answer. My problem is actually related with a correct determination of the focal curve of an achromatic doublet.

In my problem I am using a standard solution, which consists of a biconvex Crown glass lens attached to a plano-concave Flint Glass Lens.

In order to model the refractive indices of the two glasses in the visible domain I am using the well-known Cauchy's equations:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy's_equation)

n(λ) = A + B/λ2 ( with λ in μm).

n1(λ) - Flint Glass
n2(λ) - Crown Glass

For the flint glass I am considering:
A=1.7280
B=0.01342

For the crown glass I am considering:
A=1.5220
B=0.00459

Now let's say I want my lens to have a total focal length f-1=100mm

For Simplicity I assume that I have a equiconvex Crown glass lens ( like in the example I showed you) such that r2=-r1.

So basically I want to find two radiis, r2 and r3. When I do so and I try to plot the total focal shift of the systems, it yields a curve that is practically zero valued in the whole visible spectrum, but it should only be zero for the C and F lines..
 
I'm afraid I'm really confused now:

joaocosta23 said:
I'm considering here a doublet formed by a biconvex Flint Glass lens attached to a plano-concave crown glass lens. ( I know that the typical design of the doublet is a biconvex crown lens attach to a plano-concave flint glass lens. but here I'm interested in the opposite.)

<snip>

joaocosta23 said:
In my problem I am using a standard solution, which consists of a biconvex Crown glass lens attached to a plano-concave Flint Glass Lens.

<snip>
 

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