Focal Length & Concave Lens: Multiple Images?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of concave lenses, particularly regarding the formation of images and the determination of focal length. Participants explore whether multiple sharp images can be obtained by varying the object distance, and they also touch upon comparisons with convex lenses and concave mirrors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a concave lens can only produce virtual images, which cannot be projected onto a screen but can be seen by the eye.
  • Others argue that it is not possible to obtain more than one sharp image with a concave lens, as they have not experienced multiple sharp images at once.
  • A participant questions whether the discussion is about a concave lens or a concave mirror, suggesting that a concave mirror can produce both real and virtual images depending on the object distance.
  • One participant shares a personal anecdote about acquiring a concave mirror and successfully using it to project a sharp image, noting a calculated focal length.
  • There is a humorous exchange regarding the fate of the mirror and a warning about the dangers of silvering a concave mirror.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether multiple sharp images can be obtained with a concave lens, and there are competing views regarding the nature of images produced by concave lenses versus concave mirrors.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal experiences and anecdotal evidence, which may not generalize to all situations involving concave lenses or mirrors. The discussion also highlights potential confusion between the properties of different optical devices.

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is it true when we use concave lens, we can obtain focal length when we get the sharp image..
is it possible to get more than one sharp image when we change the object distance (distance between object and lens)
 
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nfsmwbe said:
is it true when we use concave lens, we can obtain focal length when we get the sharp image..
Using a concave lens you cannot get a real image, to calculate the focal length. All that forms is a virtual one, which only your eyes can see. So try measuring the dist. b/w the lens and your eye when you get to 'see' a virtual image next time!
nfsmwbe said:
is it possible to get more than one sharp image when we change the object distance (distance between object and lens)
As far as my knowledge runs through, you can't (I think so..). I've tried getting those kind of 'double' images, but even when they formed, one was real and another virtual. I couldn't get two sharps at a time on the screen.
 
what will happen if I use convex lens...

thanks in advance:)
 
nfsmwbe said:
is it true when we use concave lens, we can obtain focal length when we get the sharp image..
is it possible to get more than one sharp image when we change the object distance (distance between object and lens)

You will only get a virtual image with a concave lens (on its own). This cannot be projected onto a screen but can be seen. The sharpness of the image will depend upon whether your eye can actually focus on it. (Long-sighted people may not be able to see the image in a convex lens as it may be too close for them.)

I just wonder whether you are, in fact, talking about a concave mirror. You can often get two images - one real and one virtual by adjusting the position of the object wrt the lens.
OR... is it a convex lens that you mean? In that case, you can also get one real (projectable) image or a virtual image, depending on the distances involved.
 
About 40 years ago, I was at a garage sale, and spotted a large circular piece of glass, about 66 cm diameter and 5 cm thick, for which the seller wanted bids. I was the only bidder, so I paid $3.00 and took it home, and started cleaning it. I quickly realized that one surface was concave, so I set it up so that I could reflect a distant light bulb to a sharp image on a piece of paper. The calculated focal length was 2 meters. Apparently the glass was an unsilvered reflecting telescope mirror.
 
Is there a happy end to this story or is that mirror now at be back of your garage? haha (I have several such possessions!)
 
sophiecentaur said:
Is there a happy end to this story or is that mirror now at the back of your garage? haha (I have several such possessions!)
I bought a redwood 2 x 4, and made a 3-legged table. I still have it, concave side up, in our sun room.
 
Got your money'sworth then.

A word of warning - don't every get it silvered and leave it laying around - you'll burn your house down if the Sun catches it.
 

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