Force between Parallel Current Carrying Wires

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The discussion revolves around the forces between two parallel wires carrying currents in the same direction, specifically examining the relationship between the magnitudes of the currents and the resulting forces. The original poster presents multiple-choice statements regarding the nature of the forces acting between the wires, with one wire carrying current I and the other carrying current 2I.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of Newton's Third Law in relation to the forces between the wires. There is an attempt to calculate the forces acting on each wire and a discussion about the magnetic field produced by each wire.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning the assumptions made about the forces and the magnetic fields involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to differentiate between the magnetic fields produced by each wire when calculating the forces.

Contextual Notes

There appears to be some confusion regarding the application of the formula for force and the magnetic field, as well as the implications of using the same magnetic field for both wires in the calculations. This indicates a need for further clarification on the setup of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Two parallel wires have currents that have the same direction, but differing magnitude. The current in wire A is I, and the current in wire B is 2I. Which one of the following statements concerning the situation is true?
A) Both wires attract each other with the same force
B) Wire A attracts wire B with twice the force that wire B attracts wire A.
C) Wire A attracts wire B with half the force that wire B attracts wire A.
D) Wire A repels wire B with half the force that wire B attracts wire A.
E) Wire A repels wire B with twice the force that wire B attracts wire A.

Homework Equations


F = L I X B

The Attempt at a Solution


Okay, so I know that wires in the same direction will attract, so that removes options D and E. What I am unsure of though, is why the correct answer is A. While I was working this problem out, I assumed the force would be half that of wire B, due to the formula posted above. Why would the force be the same?
Any and all guidance is appreciated, thank you!
 
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mitchy16 said:
Why would the force be the same?
Have you heard of Newton's Third Law? If not calculate the force on each wire and be sure to put in the proper expression for B.
 
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kuruman said:
Have you heard of Newton's Third Law? If not calculate the force on each wire and be sure to put in the proper expression for B.
Yes, I had tried relating to Newton's Third Law, and that part makes sense, but if I were to solve for force, would it not be:

Wire A:
F = (L)(2I) X (B)
1/2F = (L)(I) X (B)
Wire B:
F = (L)(I) X (B)

I think I'm just missing something obvious, but I'm not sure what. Thanks!
 
What's B for a long wire? Put that in the expression. Of course for wire A you have to put in the B field due to wire B and vice versa for wire B.

On edit: It's a good idea to use subscripts "A" and "B" to distinguish currents and fields.
 
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mitchy16 said:
Wire A:
F = (L)(2I) X (B)
1/2F = (L)(I) X (B)
Wire B:
F = (L)(I) X (B)
The "bug" lies here. You need to find the force produced on wire A, (carrying current 2I), due to the field produced by by wire B(carrying current I) and vice a versa. The expressions you have used tells me, as well as it should tell you, that you have used the same B for both!?
 
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Let'sthink said:
The "bug" lies here. You need to find the force produced on wire A, (carrying current 2I), due to the field produced by by wire B(carrying current I) and vice a versa. The expressions you have used tells me, as well as it should tell you, that you have used the same B for both!?
OH, I understand my mistake now! Thank you so much, that clears it up.
 

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