Force from two point charges on a third one

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The discussion focuses on calculating the force on a third point charge, Q_3, positioned in an isosceles triangle formed by two other charges, Q_1 and Q_2. Using Coulomb's law and the superposition principle, the resulting force on Q_3 is derived for two scenarios: when Q_2 equals Q_1 and when Q_2 is the negative of Q_1. In the case where Q_2 equals Q_1, the force is directed along the vertical axis, while with Q_2 as -Q_1, the force is directed horizontally. Participants emphasize the importance of visualizing the vectors and suggest plugging in numerical values to validate the results. The calculations appear correct, and further exploration through sketching is encouraged.
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Homework Statement



We have three point charges Q_1, Q_2, Q_3, forming together an isosceles triangle. Two sides are of equal length r.
The point charge Q_1 is located at (0,0),
the point charge Q_2 is located at (x_2,0)
and The point charge Q_3 is located at (\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}).

Calculate the resulting force on Q_3 for the cases Q_2 = Q_1 and Q_2 = - Q_1.

Homework Equations



I think two formulas are relevant. Coulombs law and the superposition principle.

The Attempt at a Solution



From the Superposition principle and Coulombs law we have:

\vec{F}_3 = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} Q_3 Q_1 \frac{\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_1}{|\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_1|^3} + \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} Q_3 Q_2 \frac{\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_2}{|\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_2|^3},
where \vec{F}_3 is the resulting force on Q_3.

Next, I calculated \vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_1 = (\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2})

and \vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_2 = (-(\frac{x_2}{2}),\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}).

Then I calculated the norm of both to get |\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_1| = |\vec{x}_3 - \vec{x}_2| = r.

So I get for \vec{F}_3,

\vec{F}_3 = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q_3 Q_1}{r^3} (\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}) + \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q_3 Q_2}{r^3} (-\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2})

Now for Q_2 = Q_1:

\vec{F}_3 = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q_3 Q_1}{r^3}( (\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}) + (-\frac{x_2}{2},\sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}))

thus,
\vec{F}_3 = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q_3 Q_1}{r^3}( 0,2 \sqrt{r^2 - ({\frac{x_2}{2}})^2}).

And for the case Q_2 = - Q_1:
\vec{F}_3 = \frac{1}{4 \pi \epsilon_0} \frac{Q_3 Q_1}{r^3} (x_2,0).

Is this correct? What do you think?
 
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Can you edit your post and remove all the extra blank homework template stuff?

It will be easier on the eyes.
 
Ok! Done!
 
it looks right. Have you plugged some numbers in and sketched the vectors on paper to see if the result looks reasonable?

When the two charges are the same then the third charge will either move away or be attracted to the other two. In either case, the force will be along the center line through the isoseles triangle.

When the two charges are different then the third charge will move on a line going thru the third charge and parallel to the line going thru the two other charges initially. The resultant force should be parallel to these lines.
 
Thanks jedishrfu! I'll plug in some numbers and draw the vector to reproduce your argument!
Thanks again!
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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