Force of interaction between caps

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The discussion revolves around the force of interaction between two spherical caps with different charge densities, ##\rho_1## and ##\rho_2##. Participants explore the implications of modifying the configuration of the caps and the assumptions underlying their calculations.

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  • Participants discuss extending the larger cap into a complete sphere and replacing the smaller cap with a modified charge density. There are attempts to derive the force of interaction based on these configurations. Questions arise regarding the validity of these approaches and the implications of negative charge densities.

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Several participants express confusion about the methods being used, particularly regarding the coordinate system and the integration limits. Some suggest alternative approaches, such as dividing the cap into cylindrical elements, while others question the assumptions made about the electric field and the forces involved. There is no explicit consensus, but productive dialogue continues.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem, including the use of triple integrals and the challenges of visualizing the geometry involved. There is mention of differing interpretations of the coordinate system being used, which contributes to the confusion in the discussion.

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Pranav used the known expression for the field inside S due to a total sphere of charge density ##\rho_2##: ##E=\rho_2r/(3\epsilon_0)##.

The z-component of this field is then ##E_z=\rho_2z/(3\epsilon_0)##. Since it only depends on z, you can get the force on the cap by integrating over disks.

##F=\int_h^R E_z (\rho_1\pi r^2) \,dz## where ##r = \sqrt{R^2-z^2}##. I get the same result as Pranav.
 
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Sorry for my indifferent behaviour towards the thread but I have a genuine reason of doing it. I was busy with my exam which was on 6th April and the subsequent days were also busy for me, I had no intention of dumping the thread. :redface:

Thank you haruspex for keeping the the thread alive!

haruspex said:
Consider two small regions X, Y in A. X1 exerts a force on Y0, while Y1 exerts an equal and opposite force on X0. Thus, there is no net force between A0 and A1.

Yes, I am agreed. Thank you for stating this, I don't think I could have thought of this argument. :)

haruspex said:
t follows that the force between A0 and B1 is the same as that between A0 and S1.
I calculated this in #13 and plugging the values doesn't seem to give me the right answer. :confused:
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Sorry for my indifferent behaviour towards the thread but I have a genuine reason of doing it. I was busy with my exam which was on 6th April and the subsequent days were also busy for me, I had no intention of dumping the thread.

Hope you did well on your exam!

I calculated this in #13 and plugging the values doesn't seem to give me the right answer. :confused:

Uh Oh. Well, maybe haruspex can set us straight. Did you get a force of 3.33 N?
 
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TSny said:
Uh Oh. Well, maybe haruspex can set us straight. Did you get a force of 3.33 N?

Woops, looks like I did not correctly input the values in the calculator. Thanks TSny and haruxpex! 3.33 N is the correct answer. :)
 
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TSny said:
Pranav used the known expression for the field inside S due to a total sphere of charge density ##\rho_2##: ##E=\rho_2r/(3\epsilon_0)##.
Ah, OK. I did it from first principles, but missed a cancellation of π.
 

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