Force on a particle in a homogeneous electric field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of force on a particle in a homogeneous electric field, exploring the implications of uniformity in the field and addressing misconceptions about the force experienced by charged particles based on their position within the field.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that in a homogeneous electric field, the force on a particle is constant regardless of its location.
  • One participant questions this assertion, suggesting that a positively charged particle would experience a greater force when near the positively charged side of the field.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of considering the uniformity of the field and proposes an analogy with gravitational force on a ball on an incline to illustrate that while force remains constant, potential energy differs based on position.
  • There is a mention of the gravitational potential analogy, indicating that the force is the same in a uniform electric field, but the potential energy varies.
  • One participant expresses satisfaction with the explanation provided, indicating a clearer understanding of the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of a homogeneous electric field, with some agreeing on the constancy of force while others challenge this understanding based on positional considerations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial question of force variation based on location.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the concept of gravitational potential in their analogies, which may introduce additional assumptions about energy considerations that are not fully explored in the context of the electric field.

Arcthor
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I understand that in a homogeneous electric field, the force on a particle, regardless of its location, is the same.

How can this be? Wouldn't a positively charged particle experience a greater force when near the positively charged side? What am I missing?
 
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Arcthor said:
I understand that in a homogeneous electric field, the force on a particle, regardless of its location, is the same.

How can this be? Wouldn't a positively charged particle experience a greater force when near the positively charged side? What am I missing?

Don't think about how the field was created, just imagine the field being in some box that defines the region over which the field is uniform (i.e. there is nothing but the field there, and the particle). If the region is really, really big, there are no real landmarks (wiggliness of the field, etc.) the only thing that you can see is the strength of the field by the force on the charge. If the field strength is the same everywhere, should the force felt be any different?

Think of the analogy with the force due to gravity for a ball placed on an incline. Is the force on a ball bigger at the top of the incline or at the bottom of the incline?
The thing that is different is the gravitaional potential. When the ball is at the top of the incline, the gravitational potential is larger (there is the ability to extract more work from its falling). Same goes for a charge in a uniform electric field: force is the same, but the potential is different.
 
Arcthor said:
I understand that in a homogeneous electric field, the force on a particle, regardless of its location, is the same.

How can this be?
Per definition.
 
Quantum Defect said:
Don't think about how the field was created, just imagine the field being in some box that defines the region over which the field is uniform (i.e. there is nothing but the field there, and the particle). If the region is really, really big, there are no real landmarks (wiggliness of the field, etc.) the only thing that you can see is the strength of the field by the force on the charge. If the field strength is the same everywhere, should the force felt be any different?

Think of the analogy with the force due to gravity for a ball placed on an incline. Is the force on a ball bigger at the top of the incline or at the bottom of the incline?
The thing that is different is the gravitaional potential. When the ball is at the top of the incline, the gravitational potential is larger (there is the ability to extract more work from its falling). Same goes for a charge in a uniform electric field: force is the same, but the potential is different.

Thank you! I makes complete sense now :) Sorry for late reply, was busy studying for the test lol
 

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