Forces in 3-D: Homework Solutions

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving forces in three-dimensional space, specifically focusing on the relationships between points and vectors in a static system. Participants are exploring the components of forces and moments related to points A, B, C, and D, with an emphasis on understanding how the unknown distance L affects the configuration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to break down the forces into components and are questioning the alignment of points C and D in relation to the unknown distance L. There are discussions about taking moments around different axes and the implications of having multiple unknowns in the equations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the relationships between the vectors and discussing the complexity of the problem. Some have offered guidance on how to approach the moment calculations and the need for clarity in the vector expressions.

Contextual Notes

There is an acknowledgment of the unknowns in the problem, particularly the distance L and the forces at points C and D. Participants are also navigating the challenge of expressing their work clearly, with some expressing confusion about the calculations and vector relationships.

  • #31
haruspex said:
Ummm, no. We're agreed that "CD" means "the vector from C to D", yes? If the above were correct, we'd have CD+AD=AC. Does that look right?
yes

I guess then it is AD-AC

L-6(i) +6(j) -8(k)
 
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  • #32
VectorA said:
yes

I guess then it is AD-AC

L-6(i) +6(j) -8(k)
Yes.
Sorry, but I have to sign off now for the day.
 
  • #33
haruspex said:
Sorry, but I have to sign off now for the day.

Can you please just quickly tell me what the next step should be? It would be really appreciated.
 
  • #34
VectorA said:
Can you please just quickly tell me what the next step should be? It would be really appreciated.
I have another few minutes...
Write out the cross product of the tension in CD and the vector AC (or AD, whichever is easier).
 
  • #35
(8k +6i) X (L-6i +6j -8k) ----> i replaced L-6 with x

So the cross product that i got is = 8x+48(j) - 48(i) +36(k)
 
  • #36
haruspex said:
I have another few minutes...
Write out the cross product of the tension in CD and the vector AC (or AD, whichever is easier).
(8k +6i) X (L-6i +6j -8k) ----> i replaced L-6 with x
So the cross product that i got is = 8x+48(j) - 48(i) +36(k)
 
  • #37
VectorA said:
(8k +6i) X (L-6i +6j -8k) ----> i replaced L-6 with x
So the cross product that i got is = 8x+48(j) - 48(i) +36(k)
Yes, except that you need to divide by the magnitude of vector CD and multiply by the unknown tension in CD, of course.
Next step is to write that the sum of the three torque vectors is zero.
 
  • #38
haruspex said:
Yes, except that you need to divide by the magnitude of vector CD and multiply by the unknown tension in CD

Is it true that i cannot calculate the magnitude of the vector? because L is a unknown quantity.
 
  • #39
VectorA said:
Is it true that i cannot calculate the magnitude of the vector? because L is a unknown quantity.
L will feature in the expression for the length of CD, but we will eventually be able to solve for it.
 
  • #40
haruspex said:
L will feature in the expression for the length of CD, but we will eventually be able to solve for it.

Ok i will try to solve it now. I hope i get the right answer
 
  • #41
I tried and still having some troubles. :(
 
  • #42
VectorA said:
I tried and still having some troubles. :(
I can only help if you take the trouble to post your working as far as you can get.
To make it easier, use the method I suggested in post 21: invent symbols to represent awkward expressions that occur repeatedly, like ##\sqrt{L^2+100}##.
Or start using LaTeX. To see how others have used it, right click on a line of algebra (like mine above), select Show Math As, etc., copy the text and paste it into your own post. After copying it you will need to insert a pair of consecutive hash characters (#) at each end of it. Use Preview to see if it comes out right.
 

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