Forces needed to slide up the plane

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The discussion revolves around calculating the forces required to slide a block up an inclined plane, involving concepts from mechanics such as tension, friction, and the effects of angles on force components.

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  • Participants analyze equations related to forces acting on a block on an incline, questioning the correctness of angles and terms used in the calculations. There are discussions about the role of friction and the tension in the rope.

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Several participants have pointed out potential errors in the original calculations, particularly regarding the angles used and the inclusion of frictional force terms. There is ongoing exploration of different formulations of the equations, with some participants suggesting adjustments to improve accuracy.

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Homework Statement


Pco20- Wsin30-100(9.81)(cos20) –Fs = 0

Pcos20 - 1000x9.81xsin30 – 100x9.81xcos20 – 0.2 x ( Wcos20x9.81 + Psin20 ) = 0

Pcos20 – 4905-921.8-1700-0.07P=0

7526.8= 0.869P

P= 8661N
what's wrong with my working ? the ans given is P=7330N

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At least two issues there.
Some of your 20 degrees should be 30 degrees.
You have a sign wrong. (Which way does the tension act?)
 
There should be a term ##1000\times g\times\cos 30^\circ\times \mu_s## in there somewhere for the frictional force from the weight of the 1000kg block on the ramp. I can't see any such term in your calc.
 
andrewkirk said:
There should be a term ##1000\times g\times\cos 30^\circ\times \mu_s## in there somewhere for the frictional force from the weight of the 1000kg block on the ramp. I can't see any such term in your calc.
It's there, but with the wrong angle.
 
haruspex said:
It's there, but with the wrong angle.
the block is in the verge of moving up , so the tension of rope should look like this ?
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 )
P=7419N ...
 

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goldfish9776 said:
the block is in the verge of moving up , so the tension of rope should look like this ?
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 )
P=7419N ...
Much closer, but you've left out a contributor to the normal force.
 
haruspex said:
Much closer, but you've left out a contributor to the normal force.
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 + 100x9.81sin30 )
P=7506N ?
 
goldfish9776 said:
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 + 100x9.81sin30 )
P=7506N ?
A couple of problems with the term you added.
Which way does this force act, in terms of the total normal force?
What angle does it make to the normal?
 
haruspex said:
A couple of problems with the term you added.
Which way does this force act, in terms of the total normal force?
What angle does it make to the normal?
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 -100x9.81sin30 )
P=7331N
 
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goldfish9776 said:
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 -100x9.81sin30 )
P=7331N
Isn't the angle still wrong?
 
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haruspex said:
Isn't the angle still wrong?
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 -100x9.81sin20 )
P=7331N
 
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goldfish9776 said:
P cos30 +100x9.81xcos20 -1000x9.81xsin30 = 0.2 ( 1000x9.81cos30 +P sin30 -100x9.81sin20 )
P=7331N
Ok!
 

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