Formula of Forces: 2.1 & 0.35 Meaning

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The discussion revolves around understanding the components of a force equation related to fluid mechanics, specifically focusing on the meanings of the values 2.1 and 0.35 in the context of pressure and force calculations. Participants are trying to clarify how these values relate to the physical dimensions of the system being analyzed.

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  • Participants are exploring the significance of the values 2.1 and 0.35 in the equation, questioning whether they represent physical dimensions like width or depth. There are discussions about average pressures and forces per unit width, as well as concerns about the accuracy of the calculated forces based on the height of the barrier.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations and questioning the assumptions made regarding the dimensions of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of forces per unit width, but there is no explicit consensus on the meanings of the specific values in the equation.

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There is mention of missing information regarding the width of the object, which is affecting the clarity of the calculations and interpretations. Participants are also noting the complexity of the problem due to the need for visual aids to fully understand the context.

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what is the 2.1 and 0.35 refers to in the equation of (9810)(2.1)(4.2)- 9810(0.35)(0.7) -Fx = 1000(5.88)(8.4-1.401) ??
is it the width ? but , the width is not given ?

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Same pattern post: not understandable without the pictures. I have to keep open five windows to have a good look at this. It's late and I'm tired.
 
Where the depth is 4.2m, the average depth is 2.1m, so the average pressure on the approach is 1000(9.81)(2.1)N/m2.
Multiplying by the height gives the force per unit width on the approach. Similarly on the exit side.
I do have one concern. The barrier is not 4.2m in height, so the calculated force on the approach side seems to much. To get a more accurate result we would need to find the height of the water surface above the highest point of the barrier.
 
Tell us what the expressions they use for the ##F_1## and ##F_2## stand for ...
 
haruspex said:
Where the depth is 4.2m, the average depth is 2.1m, so the average pressure on the approach is 1000(9.81)(2.1)N/m2.
Multiplying by the height gives the force per unit width on the approach. Similarly on the exit side.
I do have one concern. The barrier is not 4.2m in height, so the calculated force on the approach side seems to much. To get a more accurate result we would need to find the height of the water surface above the highest point of the barrier.

Edit: I misunderstood the calculation.
Consider the whole of the system covered by the diagram.
F1 is the force acting to the right on that system from the body of water to the left.
Similarly, F2 is the force acting on it to the left from the body of water to the right.
Fx is the horizontal force from the ground to keep the spillway in place.
The sum of these external forces equals the rate of change of momentum.
 
haruspex said:
Where the depth is 4.2m, the average depth is 2.1m, so the average pressure on the approach is 1000(9.81)(2.1)N/m2.
Multiplying by the height gives the force per unit width on the approach. Similarly on the exit side.
I do have one concern. The barrier is not 4.2m in height, so the calculated force on the approach side seems to much. To get a more accurate result we would need to find the height of the water surface above the highest point of the barrier.
ok , i can understand the red part of the equation (9810)(2.1)(4.2)- 9810(0.35)(0.7) -Fx = 1000(5.88)(8.4-1.401) , but 1000(5.88)(8.4-1.401) is force , am i right ? it's not force per unit width... they are not having the same unit...how cvan they be equqal to each other?
 
haruspex said:
Where the depth is 4.2m, the average depth is 2.1m, so the average pressure on the approach is 1000(9.81)(2.1)N/m2.
Multiplying by the height gives the force per unit width on the approach. Similarly on the exit side.
I do have one concern. The barrier is not 4.2m in height, so the calculated force on the approach side seems to much. To get a more accurate result we would need to find the height of the water surface above the highest point of the barrier.
do u mean since the width is unknown and constant through out the whole object , so we can take it out and leave the ans (Fx) is Force per unit width>
 
werson tan said:
do u mean since the width is unknown and constant through out the whole object , so we can take it out and leave the ans (Fx) is Force per unit width>
Yes, we do not know the width, so all forces are considered per unit width.
 
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