Formulas used in capacitor circuits

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The discussion centers around the formulas used in RC circuits, specifically addressing the notation of voltage across the capacitor (Vc) and its time-dependent form (Vc(t)). Participants explore the application of these formulas, the assumptions behind them, and the complexities introduced by additional circuit components.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the difference between Vc and Vc(t), suggesting that Vc is an abbreviation for Vc(t).
  • Another participant emphasizes the specificity of the formulas, noting they apply only to circuits with a precise configuration and cautioning against their use in more complex circuits.
  • It is mentioned that the formulas assume the capacitor is initially uncharged, which affects the equations provided.
  • A participant discusses the importance of understanding transient versus steady-state behavior in circuits, including the role of time constants and the behavior of inductors and capacitors during these phases.
  • There is a mention of how inductors and capacitors behave differently in AC circuits compared to DC, highlighting the complexities of real-world applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of the formulas and the assumptions made. There is no consensus on the implications of the formulas when additional components are present, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take in complex circuits.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations of the formulas based on circuit configuration and initial conditions, as well as the need for further practice to grasp the concepts fully. The discussion touches on advanced topics like differential equations and Laplace transforms without resolving the complexities involved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in understanding the nuances of RC circuits, transient analysis, and the behavior of capacitors and inductors in various circuit configurations.

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These formulas have been provided to me for use in RC circuits. However, they haven't been defined in the lecture notes. I know Vc = voltage across the capacitor, but isn't that what Vc(t) is as well? Is there any difference between the two?

Thanks
 
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Vc is usually just an abbreviated way to write Vc(t)

though I'd say in this case your lecturer simply forgot to write the (t) after Vc :smile:

Can you draw two different circuits illustrating where these formulae apply?
 
The hint from NO is that that formula is very specific and only applys to circuits that follow a very exact format. If your circuit is RC with some other components added (extra resistors, inductors, more capacitors) then you cannot use that formula. So be cautious when using it. If you have extra components, you must thevenize the circuit to take the format of the simple RC circuit.

Also, it appears they are assuming the capacitor is initially uncharged, hence Vo = 0 V. That is why it disappears in your second equation.
 
What NO and Maylis say is all true.

It takes a lot of practice to get good at these problems. Steady state vs transient...what's happening at t=0+...what's happening at 1 (RC)...what's happening at 5(RC), time constants if you will.

How all this relates to differential equations and laplace transform, also refers to bode plot...

How inductors and caps act like "shock absorbers" during transient. How inductors and caps short and open during steady state, yet inductors "stop/resist" current and capacitors "devour/accept" current at t=0+

How inductors release current the same way they received it, how caps release current the opposite way they received it like a battery.

Then you have how inductors and caps behave during AC. We tend to ignore transient in the AC world in colllege, yet we focus on transient of AC a lot more in the real world (large current draw with motor startup).

Lots and lots to learn...keep your mind open. Do not get tunnel vision.

Good luck!
 

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