Fourier Analysis of Sawtooth Signal with To = 1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Fourier analysis of a sawtooth signal with a specified period, focusing on the calculation of Fourier coefficients. Participants are examining the integration process involved in deriving these coefficients and addressing potential errors in the calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a sawtooth signal and attempts to derive the Fourier coefficients, specifically noting the calculations for \( a_0 \) and \( a_k \).
  • Some participants point out potential errors in the integration by parts, suggesting that the first term should be evaluated at the boundaries.
  • Another participant highlights a possible sign error in the calculations and emphasizes that \( k \) is an integer, which may affect the results.
  • There is a question raised about the value of \( \exp(-j2\pi k) \) for integer \( k \), indicating a need to consider the periodic nature of the function.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for a clarification regarding the periodicity of \( k \) in the context of Fourier analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the calculations, as multiple viewpoints regarding the integration process and potential errors are presented. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the final form of the Fourier coefficients.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the integration process, including boundary evaluations and sign errors, but do not resolve these issues. The dependence on the integer nature of \( k \) is also highlighted without a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



Sawtooth signal with To = 1, at T=0, x = 0, at T=1, x =1

verify:
<br /> <br /> a_{k} = \left\{\begin{matrix}<br /> \frac{1}{2}, for k=0; &amp; \\\frac{j}{2\pi k}, for k \neq 0; <br /> &amp; <br /> \end{matrix}\right.<br /> <br />

Homework Equations



\frac{1}{T_{0}} \int_{0}^{T_{0}} te^{-j(2\pi/T_{0}))kt}dt

The Attempt at a Solution



for k = 0

a_{0} = \int_{0}^{1} t dt

a_{0} = \frac{1}{2} t^{2} from 0 to 1 = 1/2

for k != 0

\int_{0}^{1} te^{-j(2\pi) kt}dt

u = t
du = dt
dv = e^(-j2\pi kt)

v = \frac{-1}{j2\pi k}e^{-j2\pi kt}t * \frac{-1}{j2\pi k}e^{-j2\pi kt} - \int \frac{-1}{j2\pi k}e^{-j2\pi kt} dt

t * \frac{-1}{j2\pi k}e^{-j2\pi kt} - \frac{e^{-j2\pi kt}}{4\pi^2k^2}

-1/j = j

t * \frac{j}{2\pi k}e^{-j2\pi kt} - \frac{e^{-j2\pi kt}}{4\pi^2k^2}

e^{-j2\pi kt} (t \frac{j}{2\pi k} - \frac{1}{4\pi^2 k^2})

getting close but not seeing where to go from here.
 
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Check the integration by parts rules: You seem to have forgotten to evaluate the first part at the boundaries (in particular, if you integrate over t from 0 to 1, there is no way t should remain in the final expression)
\int_a^b u(x)v&#039;(x)\,dx = \left[u(x)v(x)\right]_a^b - \int_a^b u&#039;(x)v(x)\,dx,
first term on the right hand side.
 
Päällikkö said:
Check the integration by parts rules: You seem to have forgotten to evaluate the first part at the boundaries (in particular, if you integrate over t from 0 to 1, there is no way t should remain in the final expression)
\int_a^b u(x)v&#039;(x)\,dx = \left[u(x)v(x)\right]_a^b - \int_a^b u&#039;(x)v(x)\,dx,
first term on the right hand side.
\frac{je^{-j2\pi k} }{2\pi k} - \frac{e^{-j2\pi k} }{4\pi^2 k^2} - \frac{1}{4\pi^2 k^2}
 
You seem to have a sign error. Also, remember that k is an integer (a periodic function is mapped into a series in Fourier space), and you should be able to arrive at the result.
 
Okay, see the sign error but still not seeing how that is going to get
the other terms to fall out leaving just j/(2pik).
 
k is an integer. What is \exp(-j2\pi k) for k integer?
 
Thank you Paallikko, I did not have that one in my notes.
 

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