Sketching the Spectrum of the Signal x(t)

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The discussion focuses on sketching the spectrum of the signal defined by the equation x(t) = ∑_{k=-3}^{3} (1/(1+jπk)) e^{j4πkt}. Participants explore the conversion of coefficients to polar notation, the identification of frequency components, and the corresponding amplitudes and phases for each frequency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for x(t) and calculates the coefficients a_k, expressing concerns about the arctan function used in the phase calculation.
  • Another participant confirms the frequency values and suggests that the phase can be plotted against the frequency spots.
  • A participant revisits the calculations for k=±1, ±2, and ±3, providing detailed expressions for each case and noting the omission of k=0.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the conversion from Cartesian to polar form, emphasizing the correct handling of the arctan function and its implications for phase angles.
  • Corrections are made regarding the phase expression, highlighting the importance of distinguishing between different arctan expressions and their respective angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the frequency values and the need for polar notation in the spectrum sketch. However, there are disagreements and corrections regarding the handling of the arctan function and its impact on the phase calculations, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved on these technical details.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the arctan function and its application, while others provide corrections and clarifications. The discussion reveals dependencies on the correct interpretation of mathematical expressions and assumptions about phase angles.

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Homework Statement


Make a sketch of the spectrum of the signal defined by:

x(t) = \sum_{k = -3}^{3}\frac{1}{1+j\pi k}e^{j4\pi kt}

Use polar notation for the phasors on the plot, and sketch the frequency axis in Hz.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



a_{k} = \frac{1}{1 + j\pi k}

a_{-k}^{*} = a_k

a_1 = \frac{1}{1+j\pi}

a_2 = \frac{1}{1+j2\pi}

a_3 = \frac{1}{1+j3\pi}

Convert them to polar, I get the general form:

\frac{1}{\sqrt{(k\pi)^2 + 1}}e^{-j arctan(k\pi)}


My frequency stems will be at -6, -4, -2, 0, 2, 4, 6 with the above amplitude for each of the corresponding k values.

Can you double check my work, the arctan is makeing me question my results.
 
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This all looks good. The frequencies are +/- 0, 2, 4 and 6 Hz as you post.
Did you remember a0/SUB] = 1?

If all you're supposed to do is plot the magnitude spectrum, you'd be done.

The exp(-jtan-1kπ) term is the phase expression. I.e. phase = tan-1(kπ) and you could plot that vs. the 7 frequency spots as well.
 
Thank you for checking my work. I was concerned about the arctan, i had not come across that before.

the other way i was thinking if we look at k=+/-1

\frac{1}{1+j\pi}e^{j\pi t} + \frac{1}{1-j\pi}e^{-j\pi t}

Getting a common denominator

\frac{2}{1+ \pi^2}e^{j\pi t} + \frac{2}{1+\pi^2}e^{-j\pi t}

for k=+/-2

\frac{2}{1+4 \pi^2}e^{j4\pi t} + \frac{2}{1+4\pi^2}e^{-j4\pi t}

and for k = +/-3

\frac{2}{1+9 \pi^2}e^{j12\pi t} + \frac{2}{1+9\pi^2}e^{-j12\pi t}

and yes, i did forget to mention k=0 if 0 with mag of 1.
 
freezer said:
Thank you for checking my work. I was concerned about the arctan, i had not come across that before.

You will, many times I'm sure.

Reason: a + jb = √(a2 + b2) exp[ tan-1(b/a)]
in other words, this is how you change from cartesian to polar & back.
the other way i was thinking if we look at k=+/-1

\frac{1}{1+j\pi}e^{j\pi t} + \frac{1}{1-j\pi}e^{-j\pi t}

Getting a common denominator

\frac{2}{1+ \pi^2}e^{j\pi t} + \frac{2}{1+\pi^2}e^{-j\pi t}

The second line does not follow from the first. Following what I wrote above,

1/(1 + jπk) = 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp[j tan-1(-πk)]

so 1/(1 + jπk) exp(j4πkt) = 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp[j tan-1(-πk)] exp(j4πkt)

= 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp j[4πkt + tan-1(-πk)].

When you do any arc tan function, remember arc tan(-b/a) is not the same angle as arc tan(b/-a)
so don't leave the expression as exp[-j arc tan(πk)] as you did in your post #1. It should be exp[j arc tan(-πk)].

As I said, arc tan(-πk) is the phase angle, and arc tan(-πk/1) and arc tan(πk/-1) are 180 degrees apart!
 
rude man said:
You will, many times I'm sure.

CORRECTION:
Reason: a + jb = √(a2 + b2) exp[j tan-1(b/a)]
in other words, this is how you change from cartesian to polar & back.


The second line does not follow from the first. Following what I wrote above,

1/(1 + jπk) = 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp[j tan-1(-πk)]

so 1/(1 + jπk) exp(j4πkt) = 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp[j tan-1(-πk)] exp(j4πkt)

= 1/√[1 + (πk)2] exp j[4πkt + tan-1(-πk)].

When you do any arc tan function, remember arc tan(-b/a) is not the same angle as arc tan(b/-a)
so don't leave the expression as exp[-j arc tan(πk)] as you did in your post #1. It should be exp[j arc tan(-πk)].

As I said, arc tan(-πk) is the phase angle, and arc tan(-πk/1) and arc tan(πk/-1) are 180 degrees apart!

See correction above.
 

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