Fourier evaluation of Series HELP

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a series related to the Fourier representation of the function f(t) = |sin(t)| over the interval -π/2 to π/2, with periodicity f(t) = f(t + π). Participants are attempting to derive the sum of a specific series using the general Fourier series representation they have formulated.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the general Fourier series representation and question the derivation of the series to be evaluated. There are inquiries about the origin of terms in the series and the correctness of the Fourier coefficients. Some participants express confusion regarding the coursework and its relation to the problem at hand.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and asking for clarifications on the Fourier series and its coefficients. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to verify the Fourier series before proceeding with the evaluation of the sum. There is a recognition of differing opinions and approaches among participants.

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Some participants mention a lack of clarity in the coursework regarding the use of Fourier series for solving series evaluations, which adds to the confusion in the discussion. There are also references to specific values of t that may relate the two sums being discussed.

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Fourier evaluation of sum HELP

Homework Statement



Consider the signal:
f(t) = |sint|, -pi/2 < t < pi/2 where f(t) = f(t+pi)

Homework Equations



Fourier.

The Attempt at a Solution



I determined the General Fourier Series representation for f(t) below:

2/pi +4/pi + Ʃ(-1/(4n^2))*cos(2nt)

The question then asks to evaluate the sum: (using the general Fourier representation that was just solved)

Ʃ (-1^n)/((4n^2)-1)

I don't know how to approach or even figure this out.

(all sigmas are from n=1 to infinity).

Any help would be much appreciated. I've attached an image to help visualize a bit better if needed. IMAGE
 
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Evaluate the series where? And where does the -1 in the denominator come from?
$$\frac{1}{4n^2-1} = \frac{1}{(2n-1)(2n+1)} = \dots$$
 
Simon Bridge said:
Question asks to evaluate what series - the Fourier series?
Presumably you have just had a section in your coursework on Fourier series ... what does it say?

The bit marked GS is a general solution to what?

Have you seen:
http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/FourierSeries.aspx

Not sure. The coursework doesn't mention using representations to solve series'. That's why I'm a little confused.

mfb said:
Evaluate the series where? And where does the -1 in the denominator come from?
$$\frac{1}{4n^2-1} = \frac{1}{(2n-1)(2n+1)} = \dots$$

I reworded it all to eliminate confusion (hopefully). Thanks for responding.
 
Have I got this right?
You have to evaluate the sum: $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{(-1)^n}{4n^2-1}$$

using: $$|\sin t| = \frac{6}{\pi}-\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{\cos 2nt}{4n^2}$$
 
Simon Bridge said:
Have I got this right?
You have to evaluate the sum: $$\sum_{n=0}^\infty\frac{(-1)^n}{4n^2-1}$$

using: $$|\sin t| = \frac{6}{\pi}-\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac{\cos 2nt}{4n^2}$$

You have got that right, granted I solved the general representation of the Series correctly.

One thing is that n=1, you have n=0 there.
 
Double check you cos series.

2/pi +4/pi + Ʃ(-1/(4n^2))*cos(2nt)

Hint: This is close but wrong.


The term inside the summation should look like

\sum \frac{-1}{4n^2-1} cos \alpha_n t

After you figure out what the correct series is, you'll have to figure out how to relate \sum \frac{-1}{4n^2-1} cos \alpha_n t and \sum \frac{(-1)^n}{4n^2-1}...

At what value of t are the two sums equal?
What is |sin t| at this t?
 
I can't seem to pinpoint where the error is. I'm sure the cos reads cos(2t).

I'm probably making the simplest of errors.

I'm still unsure of what I would do with the next sum though.

Are we talking pi/4 for t where they're equal or?
 
If you show us your calculations for the coefficients ##a_n##, we can help find where you went wrong.
 
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Yeah don't worry about it.

I think posting here has just confused me more with everyone saying differing things.


Ill ask a friend or something. Thank you for the effort though.
 
  • #11
A question, does anyone here actually know how to solve it? Just out of curiosity guys and girls.
 
  • #12
Yes.
 
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vela said:
Yes.

i've noticed you haven't posted in the thread.

any ideas? I've asked around from a few guys I know and I can't seem to figure this out.
 
  • #14
The Wolfman essentially told you how to do it. The first thing you need to do is get the correct Fourier series. Until you do that, you can't really go on.

I did post earlier, suggesting you show your calculations to find the Fourier coefficients, but you didn't seem interested in doing that.
 
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A question, does anyone here actually know how to solve it? Just out of curiosity guys and girls.
We've all solved it already ... but the point is to get you to solve it.

When you throw a question open it is not terribly unusual to get a variety of answers - part of the skill is to sort through them. However, in this case, the replies are far from contradictory or, even, varied. We all agree that you have the incorrect Fourier series - granted it's close... we all agree you need to fix that before you can continue.

You seem to be having trouble finding where you went wrong.

Is there some reason you don't want to show us your working?
Unless you show us your working - we cannot help you.
 

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