Framework Problem: Constructing Engine Mount for Airplane

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a framework for an engine mount in an airplane, focusing on the challenges of performing hand calculations in a 3-D context. Participants explore the implications of excluding certain structural elements and the effects of various forces on the framework.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the challenge of creating an equation system using directional cosines for a framework with six symmetrical beams, excluding top and bottom diagonals.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of the calculations, suggesting that removing the diagonals leads to two independent frames, making the analysis straightforward.
  • A later reply proposes dividing the frames and calculating forces on one pair while considering symmetry, noting the presence of two different forces: gravitational force (mg) and thrust force.
  • Another participant advises against creating a composite equation for all elements and loads, recommending independent analyses of different frame sections and summing the results for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to the calculations, with some advocating for independent analyses while others suggest a more integrated approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to handle the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention challenges related to 3-dimensional calculations and the complexity introduced by multiple forces acting on the framework. There is an acknowledgment of limited knowledge in this area, which may affect the analysis.

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Hi!
I'm currently doing a project where I'm constructing a framework for an engine mount connecting an airplane with an engine. The project involves both calculations by hand and with CAD(Creo), and i have no problem with the CAD part as i have done the simulations.
The part with doing calculations by hand have caused some problems where I'm doing the calculations in 3-D, and its causing some problems.
The top and bottom diagonals are not to be considered in the calculation by hand. Therefore you have 6 symmetrical beams.
So far what I have done in the calculations is that I've created a equation system with help of directional cosines which seems to get me the wrong answers. So I'm looking for some help in creating the equations system for this problem.
 

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I don't understand .

If you take the top and bottom diagonals away then you just have two independent frames .

The three components of anyone of the frames are all in the same plane . For any likely system of loads and fixations the analysis is trivial ?
 
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I don't understand .

If you take the top and bottom diagonals away then you just have two independent frames .

The three components of anyone of the frames are all in the same plane . For any likely system of loads and fixations the analysis is trivial ?

Thanks for the answer Nidium! So what you're suggesting is that we divide the two frames and calculate the forces on one of the pairs, then suggest symmetry?

I also forgot to mention that we have two different forces affecting the framework, one is mg and one is thrust force.

We can't seem to get this right on account of having little knowledge in 3-dimensional calculations.
 

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If you are trying to create a composite equation including all elements and loads then you are making the problem more difficult than it needs to be. You would be better off to simply do independent analyses on the different frame structure sections. By transferring the thrust load and the lateral force moment to the back plate then analyzing those loads independently and summing those results the analysis should be straight forward. Since mg is still a force load its components should be able to be combined with static lateral and thrust loads.
 

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