Free-body diagram: Spring-loaded cylinder sliding on a metal rod

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The discussion revolves around creating a free-body diagram (FBD) for a cylinder sliding on a horizontal metal rod, which is connected to a spring. The cylinder has a mass of 5.0 kg, and the spring has a spring constant of 500 N/m. Participants explore the forces acting on the cylinder, including gravity and the spring force, while questioning the role of the rod in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the cylinder, including gravity and the spring force, and question whether additional forces, such as a normal force from the rod, are present. There is also a focus on clarifying the orientation of the rod and spring, as well as the state of the spring (compression or tension).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications and asking for additional information. Some have suggested creating multiple FBDs to cover different scenarios, while others have pointed out the need for clearer diagrams and definitions of forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the rod is horizontal and frictionless, and there is uncertainty regarding the equilibrium state of the spring and the specific requirements of the homework assignment.

  • #31
ymnoklan said:
How would you describe the direction of the normal force on the cylinder? Is it always vertically upwards) oppsite of gravity or does the direction of the normal force vary with the horizontal displacement x?
The normal force of the rod on the cylinder (##\vec N##) is (by definition of 'normal') perpendicular to the contact surfaces. So in this problem ,##\vec N## must act vertically up, or vertically down, or be zero.

The cylinder never has a vertical acceleration, so the net vertical (y) force on the cylinder is always zero: ##\vec W + \vec {F_y} + \vec N = 0##

Can you see under what conditions:
##\vec N## acts vertically up?
##\vec N## acts vertically down?
##\vec N## = 0?

Also, have you covered simple harmonic motion (SHM)? This could help you understand how your rod/cylinder/spring system will behave.

Edit. Of course I should simply have asked what @Orodruin asked in Post #30!
 
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  • #32
You have represented the N forces correctly oriented in your diagrams, only that the origin of the vector could be better located at the top surface of the hole in the cylinder.
That is where the bar is excerting a normal force on the cylinder in order to counteract gravity and the normal component of the spring force.
 
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  • #33
Now I am wondering about the equilibrium points of the system. I find that they must be at x = -0.4, x = 0 and x = 0.4 (by finding where there would be 0 force in the horizontal direction), but I struggle characterising which would be stable and which would be unstable. What does this even mean?
 
  • #34
ymnoklan said:
Now I am wondering about the equilibrium points of the system. I find that they must be at x = -0.4, x = 0 and x = 0.4 (by finding where there would be 0 force in the horizontal direction), but I struggle characterising which would be stable and which would be unstable. What does this even mean?
If x=-0.4m the cylinder will not be entirely on the rod (assuming the Post #6 diagram shows x=0.4m). So presumably you are meant to assume the rod is longer than shown.

Equilibrium states can be stable or unstable. What is the difference? Have you looked-up these terms?

By the way, you never answered my Post #31 questions relating to the direction of ##\vec N##.
 
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  • #35
ymnoklan said:
but I struggle characterising which would be stable and which would be unstable. What does this even mean?
For this, I suggest working with the potential of the system. A (un)stable equilibrium corresponds to a minimum (maximum) of the potential.

Alternatively, find how the force looks close to each equilibrium. If it points towards (away) from the equilibrium, it is a (un)stable equilibrium.
 

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