Frequency of Modulated Signal: Carrier vs Message

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the frequency characteristics of a modulated signal, specifically in the context of amplitude modulation (AM). Participants explore how a carrier signal interacts with a message signal, the implications for frequency changes, and the role of sidebands in conveying information.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the frequency of the modulated signal changes when a message signal is superimposed on a carrier signal, specifically asking why it is said to operate between 1000 Hz +/- 100 Hz.
  • Another participant explains that the message signal adds sidebands to the carrier frequency, which is where the message information resides.
  • A participant reiterates the question about the carrier signal's frequency after mixing with the message signal and introduces the concept of Fourier representation, suggesting that AM is a multiplication process that results in sidebands appearing at sum and difference frequencies.
  • It is noted that the original carrier signal does not disappear, and the degree of modulation can affect how much of the carrier remains in the signal.
  • One participant discusses the historical context of AM modulation, mentioning that the carrier carries no information and that it is possible to transmit only one of the sidebands to reduce power and bandwidth, although this complicates receiver design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the frequency characteristics of the modulated signal and the role of the carrier and sidebands. There is no consensus on whether the carrier frequency changes or remains constant after modulation.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical concepts and historical practices in AM transmission, indicating that there may be assumptions about the audience's familiarity with these topics. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of modulation or the practical aspects of signal transmission.

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Individuals interested in signal processing, telecommunications, and modulation techniques may find this discussion relevant.

Ocata
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If a carrier signal is 1000 Hz, and my message signal has a bandwidth of 100 Hz.

Is there any change in frequency of the modulated signal? Why is it said that the message signal is now operating between 1000hz +/- 100Hz? I thought the original message signal frequency remains unchanged when superimposed on the carrier signal. Does the carrier signal portion of the A.M. wave have a varying frequency after the message signal is mixed into it?
 
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Ocata said:
Does the carrier signal portion of the A.M. wave have a varying frequency after the message signal is mixed into it?
Do you believe in Fourier representation of sinewaves?
AM is a multiplication.
for starters look at your trig identities for product of sines

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and that's why sidebands appear at sum and difference frequencies
The original doesn't disappear though

The math is interesting
see https://web.ma.utexas.edu/users/davis/reu/ch2/ch2/AM/am.pdf

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However, by adjusting the degree of modulation, ie ratio of carrier to signal that's handed to the multiplier, one can cause some the carrier to remain ,
and they do that in AM radio.
Overmodulation, ie applying too much signal , makes harmonics that show up in other radio bands and that's frowned on.

old jim
 

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AM is the simplest form of modulating an RF 'carrier wave'. From the well known pictures of an AM signal, you can recognise the 'Envelope' (slow variation) sits on top of the 'Carrier' (fast variation) and it is easy to make sense of that waveform. The early simple Crystal Sets could easily receive AM signals, which was a good reason for using AM, in the early days, In terms of the frequency spectrum, you can say that the carrier itself carries no information. In fact, you do not actually need to transmit the carrier at all and, more than that, you only need to transmit just one of the sidebands. It uses less transmitter power and occupies less bandwidth but the waveform on a 'scope makes no sense at all. A receiver for that signal is much more complicated.
 
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