[Friction] Angled bar pressing down against a plate

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The problem involves analyzing the forces and moments acting on an angled bar pressing down against a plate, with a focus on frictional forces and their relationships. The subject area includes concepts from statics and friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive relationships between the angles, forces, and moments acting on the bar and plate. Some participants question the direction of the friction force and its implications on the setup. Others clarify the context of the equations and the forces involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the setup of equations, and there is a recognition of the need to adjust the moment calculations for different parts of the problem.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of their assumptions regarding the direction of motion and friction, as well as the relationships between the forces acting on the bar and the plate. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the initial setup of equations.

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Homework Statement


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This is my problem in all its glory.

Homework Equations


f = uN

The Attempt at a Solution


For part a I simply did that tan(alpha) = f/N and therefore alpha = arctan(f/N).
This simplifies to alpha = arctan(u). I believe this part is correct.

The second part of this question is what gets me. I set up the sum of the moments for the bar.
My equation is: W*sin(alpha)*L/2 - N*sin(alpha)*L + f*cos(alpha)*L = 0

Algebra gave me that N = - W*sin(alpha) / [2*(u*cos(alpha) - sin(alpha)]

I made a FBD for the plate and the equations I got were that F - f = 0 and Ngroundonplate - N = 0. (The plain N being the normal force of the bar on the plate)

Since f = uN, substitution of N gave me f = - u*W*sin(alpha) / [2*(u*cos(alpha) - sin(alpha)] and then dividing top and bottom by cos(alpha) I got that f = INFINITY.

If this makes sense, can anyone explain how? If it's wrong can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
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bartersnarter said:
W*sin(alpha)*L/2 - N*sin(alpha)*L + f*cos(alpha)*L = 0
Which way is f acting on the bar?
 
If the workpiece is moving to the left, the friction force should be towards the right, shouldn't it?
 
bartersnarter said:
If the workpiece is moving to the left, the friction force should be towards the right, shouldn't it?
Is that the friction force on the workpiece or the friction force on the bar?
 
The friction on the workpiece.
 
bartersnarter said:
The friction on the workpiece.
Ok, but the equation I quoted is in regard to forces on the bar, no?
 
Ahh, I see now! I had set up that sum of moments for part a and I neglected to alter it for part b. Thanks a bunch!
After altering it I get F = uW/4. This makes much more sense!
 

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