Friction + Bernoulli's Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of water flow from a hose when the end is constricted, specifically exploring the relationship between friction, pressure, and velocity as described by Bernoulli's equation and the continuity equation. Participants share personal observations and theoretical models related to fluid dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observed that water exits a hose faster when the end is pinched, questioning the role of gravity-powered water pressure and friction in this phenomenon.
  • Another participant suggested that the increase in water velocity when the hose is constricted is due to the conservation of mass, referencing the continuity equation for incompressible fluids.
  • A third participant explained that pressure loss occurs throughout the pipe when the flow is high, but when the flow is restricted by pinching the hose, pressure loss is minimized, allowing more pressure to accelerate the water past the constriction.
  • The original poster confirmed that their modeling of the situation aligns with the explanation provided by another participant, noting a sign error in their document but asserting the overall correctness of their model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the role of pressure and flow dynamics in the observed behavior, but there are nuances in the explanations regarding the contributions of friction and pressure loss that remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding fluid behavior, such as incompressibility and the rigidity of the pipe, are implicit in the discussion. The modeling presented by the original poster includes a sign error that has not been resolved.

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I was watering my garden the other day, and I noticed (obviously), that the water came out of the hose faster if I stuck my thumb at the end of the hose. Then I suddenly remembered that in physics class, I was taught that gravity-powered water pressure should result in an exit velocity which was only dependent on the height of the water. Our water comes from a water tower, so I was confused about why putting my thumb on the hose should make a difference to the velocity. I asked my father if there was a water pump in between the water tower and our house, and he insisted that there was not. Then I asked him about this physics problem, and he said that he was sure that friction in the pipe was the cause of the behavior of the water in the hose.


I have attached a word document in which I modeled friction. I got an answer which (qualitatively) fits reality. I just thought it was interesting that I (and I assume many other people too) have relied on pinching the hose to get water to come out faster for a long time without ever thinking about how it happened.
 

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I'm on a mobile device and haven't looked at your document but I think I can help.

The reason that the velocity of the water increases when you decrease the size of the hole it leaves by is actually to conserve mass!

You can look up the continuity equation, but it basically says that the volume of water flowing into a pipe must equal the volume of water flowing out of the pipe. This assumes a non compressible fluid and a rigid pipe.

So, let's say that the amount of water flowing into your hose is constant. If the nozzle is constricted then water must leave faster to empty the same amount.

Going through the derivation from first principles of bernoullis equation would probably make this even clearer.

Hope that helps!
 
The way I explain this is by the source of the pressure loss:

With the pipe open, the flow is high and the losses happen throughout the pipe, resulting in the exiting water having near zero total pressure.

When you put your thumb over the end, you create a large restriction, lowering the flow. With low flow, there is almost no pressure loss anywhere else but at your thumb, so all of that available pressure gets used to accelerate the small amount of water past your thumb.

So your father's explanation is basically correct.
 
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Russ Watters explanation is exactly how I modeled it in the document. By the way, I made a sign error mistake in the word document, but apart from that I think it is correct.
 

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