Friction constant minimizing the duration of vertical motion

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the friction or resistance constant for a car's suspension system to minimize the duration of vertical motion after encountering bumps or potholes. The context is rooted in dynamics and control systems, specifically focusing on damping behavior in mechanical systems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the equation of motion for the system and explore the implications of critical damping versus underdamping. Questions arise regarding the appropriateness of different damping scenarios and how they relate to minimizing motion duration.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of damping and its effects on system response. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of critically damped versus underdamped systems, though no consensus has been reached on the optimal approach or specific values for the resistance constant.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the exercise requires a single constant for damping, which limits the exploration of more complex damping scenarios. There is also a recognition of the need to balance between stiffness and responsiveness in the system's design.

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Homework Statement


The mass of a car that acts on one wheel is 100 kg. The elasticity (spring) constant in the suspension system of that wheel is k = 10^4N/m. Design the strut (find the friction/resistance constant c) such that any vertical motion of the wheel (set up for example by going over a bump or pothole on the road) will die out in the shortest amount of time.

Homework Equations


mx′′+cx′+kx=F(t)

The Attempt at a Solution


I have determined that the equation that we will most likely be using is mx''+cx'+kx=F(t) where F is some force. I at first thought that I should look at it at the critically damped point or where c^2-4mk=0 but I thought it was to simple and didn't make sense for this situation. Overall very confused and could use some assistance.
 
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Hi Phone, welcome to PF :smile: !

Critical damping ( ##\zeta =1 ## ) is often a bit too much and too stiff, but what damping ratio (*) is optimum depends on the criteria (an error band, or the integral of deviation squared or something). Since your exercise asks for a single constant, alternatives like nonlinear damping are ruled out. So depending on your context, the simple solution might be the right one. The "critically damped response is the response that reaches the steady-state value the fastest without being underdamped" (from wiki). Key is this last restriction: you can accept some underdamping if it makes the system recover faster from a bump.

(*) Note that the picture here is a step response; you probably want to optimize the pulse response.
 
Thanks for the response,

I tried setting up a system of equations that may indeed minimize it using underdamping aswell. The problem is that while c^2-4mk <= 0 the functions is obviously decreasing but when you look at when it is greater then 0 it ends up increasing which would be the damping from the bottom side. I'm having trouble now finding where I could minimize this thought so that the time could be minimized.
 
Underdamping is not the same as negative damping ! For all ##\zeta > 0## there is damping !
 

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