Friction Forces on 2WD vs 4WD Vehicles

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The discussion centers on the maximum acceleration of 2WD versus 4WD vehicles given a coefficient of static friction of 0.8. The initial claim is that both configurations yield the same frictional force due to equal normal forces and coefficients of friction, suggesting the answer is (d) 0.8 g for both. However, participants challenge this assertion by highlighting the differences in how weight is distributed across the tires in each configuration, which affects the normal force and thus the frictional force. The conversation also touches on practical examples, such as drag racing, to illustrate the implications of these differences. Ultimately, the conclusion emphasizes that the normal force distribution is critical in determining maximum acceleration for different drive configurations.
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Homework Statement
What is the maximum acceleration a car can undergo if
the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the
ground is 0.8? Assume (i) 2-wheel drive, (ii) 4-wheel drive.
[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed
equal.]
(a) 0.4 g, 0.4 g.
(b) 0.4 g, 0.8 g.
(c) 0.8 g, 0.4 g.
(d) 0.8 g, 0.8 g.
(e) Cannot tell without more information.
Relevant Equations
N mu = F friction
My answer for this question is d as every car has the same result for the force of friction since the normal and coefficient of static friction is the same. I cannot find an answer online so can anyone help verify this? Thank you.
 
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danielsmith123123 said:
Homework Statement: What is the maximum acceleration a car can undergo if
the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the
ground is 0.8? Assume (i) 2-wheel drive, (ii) 4-wheel drive.
[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed
equal.]
(a) 0.4 g, 0.4 g.
(b) 0.4 g, 0.8 g.
(c) 0.8 g, 0.4 g.
(d) 0.8 g, 0.8 g.
(e) Cannot tell without more information.
Relevant Equations: N mu = F friction

My answer for this question is d as every car has the same result for the force of friction since the normal and coefficient of static friction is the same. I cannot find an answer online so can anyone help verify this? Thank you.
Why (d)? What about a 0-wheel drive?
 
danielsmith123123 said:
My answer for this question is d as every car has the same result for the force of friction ##\dots##
Exactly what result is this that is the same? Consider the simpler case of a unicycle and a bicycle. Both are 1-wheel drives. As far as calculating the maximum acceleration in each case, what parameters are the same and what are different? Assume that the same person rides either one and that the vehicles have the same mass.
 
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danielsmith123123 said:
My answer for this question is d as every car has the same result for the force of friction since the normal and coefficient of static friction is the same.
With that only statement, how do you know the answer is not a), where the answer is also the same acceleration for both configurations?

You are missing one relevant equation, one that should link the acceleration to the friction forces involved.

Just so we are clear on definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-wheel_drive#Four-wheeled_vehicles said:
For four-wheeled vehicles [...], this term [two-wheel drive (2WD)] is used to describe vehicles that are able to power at most two wheels, [...]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive#4WD said:
4WD
Four-wheel drive (4WD) refers to vehicles with two axles providing torque to four axle ends.
 
danielsmith123123 said:
Homework Statement: What is the maximum acceleration a car can undergo if
the coefficient of static friction between the tires and the
ground is 0.8? Assume (i) 2-wheel drive, (ii) 4-wheel drive.
[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed
equal.]
(a) 0.4 g, 0.4 g.
(b) 0.4 g, 0.8 g.
(c) 0.8 g, 0.4 g.
(d) 0.8 g, 0.8 g.
(e) Cannot tell without more information.
Relevant Equations: N mu = F friction

My answer for this question is d as every car has the same result for the force of friction since the normal and coefficient of static friction is the same. I cannot find an answer online so can anyone help verify this? Thank you.
Have you ever been to a drag race? Why don't pavement dragsters use 4WD? :wink:

And that "hint" is silly...

[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed equal.]

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berkeman said:
Have you ever been to a drag race? Why don't pavement dragsters use 4WD? :wink:

And that "hint" is silly...

[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed equal.]

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Drag race? Can they run wearing all those high heels? ;).
 
danielsmith123123 said:
[Hint: Consider the normal force on each tire, assumed
equal.]

N mu = F friction

... every car has the same result for the force of friction since the normal and coefficient of static friction is the same.
Each tire is supporting $$ \frac {m_{car}g} {4}$$ Therefore, that should be the magnitude of the normal force at each contact patch.
Assuming infinite power delivered to each wheel, four versus two contact patches would be able to generate a total pushing force of ...
 
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