Hockey Puck- Physics Friction Problem

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The problem involves a hockey puck moving on ice, with a focus on the effects of kinetic friction on its speed and distance traveled. The original poster presents two parts: the first part calculates the speed after a certain distance, while the second part examines how far the puck travels under a different coefficient of friction.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations related to the coefficient of friction and its impact on the puck's motion. There are attempts to clarify the use of formulas and the implications of different coefficients of friction on the results.

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Some participants have pointed out potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the coefficient of friction. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the second part of the problem, with some suggesting that the relationship between speed, time, and distance could provide insight.

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Participants note the challenge of having multiple unknowns in the calculations and the reliance on specific formulas for solving the problem. There is also mention of the discrepancy between expected and calculated distances.

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Homework Statement


A 0.170 kg hockey puck is initially moving at 21.2 m/s [W] along the ice. The coefficient
of kinetic friction for the puck and the ice is 0.005.

(a) What is the speed of the puck after traveling 58.5 m? ans: 21.1 m/s
(b) After being played on for a while, the ice becomes rougher and the coefficient of
kinetic friction increases to 0.047. How far will the puck travel if its initial and final
speeds are the same as before?

Homework Equations


Fnet=ma
Fg=mg
Fk=μk.Fn
Vf^{2}=Vi^{2}+2ad

The Attempt at a Solution


a.) Fnet=Fk
ma=μk.Fn
ma=μk.mg
a=\frac{(0.05)(0.170kg)(9.8m/s^{2})}{0.170kg}
=0.049m/s^{2}

Vf^{2}=Vi^{2}+2ad
=\sqrt{(21.2)^{2}-(0.049)(58.5)}
=21.13m/s

b)Fnet=Fk
ma=μk.Fn
ma=μk.mg
a=\frac{(0.047)(0.170kg)(9.8m/s^{2})}{0.170kg}
=0.04606m/s^{2}

.. then i don't know what's next..
 
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At (a), the coefficient of friction is given as 0.005, but your calculation uses 0.05.

For (b), you can use the same formula as in (a). This time, the velocities are known and the distance is unknown.
 
mfb said:
At (a), the coefficient of friction is given as 0.005, but your calculation uses 0.05.

For (b), you can use the same formula as in (a). This time, the velocities are known and the distance is unknown.

oh sorry,your right, i typed it wrong..
that's my problem, i always have two unknown variables whenever i used different formula..
 
In b, the distance is the only unknown variable in the formula.
 
yes, i tried to do it like in part a) but i did not get the right answer.. the right answer is 6.24 m
 
pls post your working and the answer you got.
 
IamMoi said:
yes, i tried to do it like in part a) but i did not get the right answer.. the right answer is 6.24 m

For part (b), the initial and final speeds are the same as for part (a) - so the average speed is the same as part (a)

Since the coefficient of friction is nearly 10 times as large, the puck will take only (approx) one tenth the time to slow, so it has the same average speed for 1/10th the time, so should cover (approx) 1/10th the distance.

58.5 / 10 = 5.85m

Of course the new μ is not exactly 10 times the original, so that answer is only approximate.
 

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