Frictional toruq of a brake disc

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frictional torque of a brake disc, including related concepts such as work done per minute and heat energy generated per second. Participants explore the application of formulas and principles from mechanics to solve the problem, which is situated in the context of motor vehicle engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for total braking force but expresses uncertainty about its applicability without additional parameters like hydraulic oil pressure.
  • Another suggests the need for an angular momentum formula to assist in the calculations.
  • A different participant discusses the importance of determining the deceleration of the spinning wheel, indicating it involves negative angular acceleration and requires kinematic equations.
  • There is mention of calculating distance traveled and the relationship between work, force, and distance, emphasizing the need for angular acceleration and moment of inertia.
  • One participant clarifies that frictional torque can be calculated as the product of the force of friction and the radius of the disc.
  • Participants discuss the need to find work done in a minute and the energy lost per second due to friction, assuming negligible sound energy.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus on the correct formula or method to use. Some participants provide guidance while others seek clarification, indicating an ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Participants note the absence of certain parameters, such as time and hydraulic oil pressure, which may limit the applicability of the formulas discussed. There are also references to kinematic equations and angular momentum that have not been fully resolved in the discussion.

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im struggling abit with this question. i have a formula but it doesn't really go with my question

a brake disc has the following specification
mean radius 0.16m
force applied to each pad 5045N
U = 0.35
brake disc rotational speed is 550rev/min

work out its frictional torque
work done a min by this torque
heat energy generated pers second

i science for motor vehicle engineers by peter twigg and the book has a very similar example. but it has a brake cycliner in the equation which i dne have and hydraulic oil pressure.

i have the formula total braking force per disc = n x U x P x A (n)

in my case i take that to be 550 x 0.35 x 5.045Kn x 0.16

this gives me 155N of frictional torque per disc.
am i going along the right sort of lines or am i using the completely wrong formula?
looking around a lot fo other examples have time bt as i dnt have this I am abit lost.
any help would be very much appriated :)
 
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you might need an angular momentum formula.
 
ive been looking for a forumula to use bt I am nt sure what one.
 
well would you like the answer or guidance?
Basically you want to plot out what it is you are trying to use your formula for.

basically we have the force of friction given to us with the applied force and the U value.

so we need to figure out the deceleration of the spinning wheel. The deceleration will be a negative angular acceleration. Its currently traveling 9 revolutions per second, so you want to find the change in revolutions per second.

This is where it might get a little bit tricky. I believe you will have to use a kinematics formula to find out the distance(in a straight line) that the wheel has travelled. This is because Work = Force x Distance. So what I would do is fine the angular acceleration using your knowledge of torque and hopefully the Moment of Inertia(which you should be aware of). Then with that acceleration figure out the distance traveled if you have an intial speed of 9 rps, and the perimeter of the disk is 2*pi*r, the speed in metres per second will be the rps * perimeter. You are also going to have to find the deceleration of the wheel and plug into d = v(initial)*t + (at^2)/2 where your time is 60 seconds your initial speed is 9 * 2*pi*r and your acceleration is your angular acceleration * perimeter.

This sounds like I'm not explaining it very well. So let me know if something is unclear

Remember you want to find the frictional torque which is just Force of Friction * radius
You want to find the work done in a minute which is Force * distance
And you want to find energy lost per second to the friction, which is equal to the heat energy if we assume the sound energy is negilgible(which it pretty much is)
 

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