What Happens When a Function is Invoked with a Negative Argument?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a function when invoked with a negative argument, specifically the expression f(f(-1)). Participants are tasked with interpreting a graph provided in the thread, as the function's statements are not given.

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  • Participants express confusion regarding which variable of the graph corresponds to the value of -1 and what the implications are for invoking the function with this argument. There are attempts to clarify how to interpret the graph in relation to the function.

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Some participants have suggested that the graph should be interpreted as y = f(x), and there are indications of exploring how to find values from the graph for specific inputs. However, there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the graph or the function's behavior.

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Participants note that the function's definition is not provided, which adds to the complexity of the discussion. The reliance on the graph for understanding the function's behavior is a central theme.

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Homework Statement


I am trying solve a question which invokes a function f(…) and the argument of function is the same function with -1 as an argument i.e.

f(f(-1))

However the statements of the function are not provided. Instead a graph is provided which is uploaded. I can't understand which variable of the graph i.e. x or y will get this value of -1?

Somebody please guide me?

Homework Equations


f(f(-1))

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't understand what would happen when function f(-1) is invoked. What statements would be executed? Which variable of the graph would get -1?Somebody please guide me.
Zulfi.
 

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zak100 said:

Homework Statement


I am trying solve a question which invokes a function f(…) and the argument of function is the same function with -1 as an argument i.e.

f(f(-1))

However the statements of the function are not provided. Instead a graph is provided which is uploaded. I can't understand which variable of the graph i.e. x or y will get this value of -1?

Somebody please guide me?

Homework Equations


f(f(-1))

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't understand what would happen when function f(-1) is invoked. What statements would be executed? Which variable of the graph would get -1?
Find ##f(-1)##.
zak100 said:
Somebody please guide me.
Zulfi.
 
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zak100 said:

Homework Statement


I am trying solve a question which invokes a function f(…) and the argument of function is the same function with -1 as an argument i.e.

f(f(-1))

However the statements of the function are not provided. Instead a graph is provided which is uploaded. I can't understand which variable of the graph i.e. x or y will get this value of -1?

Somebody please guide me?

Homework Equations


f(f(-1))

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't understand what would happen when function f(-1) is invoked. What statements would be executed? Which variable of the graph would get -1?

Somebody please guide me.
Zulfi.
Your figure:
function-without-statement-etsp181-jpg.jpg

I suppose the graph is to be interpreted as being y = ƒ(x) .

Is that how such graphs tend to be treated in your course/book ?
 
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How do you simplify expressions like 5+(3*(4-1))? You start from the inside.
To evaluate f( f(-1) ), first find f(-1).
 
zak100 said:
However the statements of the function are not provided.
You don't need the function definition, since you have a graph of the function.

Follow the suggestion made by @Buffu.
 
Hi,
Thanks.
I suppose the graph is to be interpreted as being y = ƒ(x) .

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/function-without-statement.916696/
Based upon this rule:
y=f(-1)
Find the value of y for x=-1 from the graph
therefore y=2
Now f(f(-1)) = f(2)
Find the value of y for x=2 from the graph
therefore y= 1
Therefore answer of f(f(-1)) is 1.

This is correct.

Zulfi.
 
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zak100 said:
y=f(-1)
Find the value of y for x=-1 from the graph
therefore y=2
Now f(f(-1)) = f(2)
Find the value of y for x=2 from the graph
therefore y= 1
Therefore f(f(-1)) is 1.
Your answer is correct, but you're writing a lot more than is necessary.
This is how I would do it.

From the graph, f(-1) = 2, and f(2) = 1,
so f(f(-1)) = f(2) = 1.​
 
Hi,
Thanks for improving my solution. God bless you.

Zulfi.
 

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