Functions not differing by a constant whose derivatives do not equal h(x)

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The problem involves the function h(x), defined as 0 for x<0 and 1 for x≥0, and the challenge is to prove that there does not exist a function f:ℝ→ℝ such that f'(x) = h(x) for all x in ℝ. Additionally, the task includes finding two functions that do not differ by a constant and whose derivatives equal h(x) for all x ≠ 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of h(x) not having an antiderivative and the relevance of the intermediate value property for derivatives. There is a suggestion to explore functions that are constant for x<0 and linear for x>0. Some participants consider proving by contradiction and question whether h(x) has the intermediate value property.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the nature of h(x) and its properties, particularly in relation to derivatives. There is a consensus that h(x) does not have the intermediate value property, which leads to the conclusion that it cannot be a derivative. Guidance has been offered regarding the form of functions that could satisfy the derivative condition at nonzero points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for functions that are not differentiable at x=0 and discuss the constraints of finding two such functions that differ by more than a constant. The discussion reflects on the implications of the definitions and properties of derivatives in this context.

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Homework Statement



If h(x):=0 for x<0 and h(x):=1 for x≥0. Prove there dne f:ℝ→ℝ such that f'(x) = h(x) for all x in ℝ. Give examples of two functions not differing by a constant whose derivatives equal h(x) for all x ≠ 0

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I don't know how to begin. Am I trying to prove that h(x) has no antiderivative. If so...can someone give me a hint as to which theorem I am supposed to use.
 
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Do you know the theorem that says that, while a derivative is not necessarily continuous, every derivative has the "intermediate value property"? Having said that there does not exist a function whose derivative is equal to h, there certainly cannot exist two, even if you do not specify the value at x= 0 so you will need to find functions that are not differentiable (perhaps not even continuous at x= 0). I would try functions that are constant for x< 0 then some constant plus x for x> 0.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Do you know the theorem that says that, while a derivative is not necessarily continuous, every derivative has the "intermediate value property"?

Are you referencing Darboux's Theorem? If so, then yes... Should I try to prove this by contradiction then and show that h(x) is a derivative of some other function?
 
kingstrick said:
Should I try to prove this by contradiction then

Yes.

and show that h(x) is a derivative of some other function?

No, you don't show it's the derivative of a different function. You show it's not a derivative at all.

Look, you know that derivatives have the intermediate value property. Does h have the intermediate value property?
 
Citan Uzuki said:
Yes.



No, you don't show it's the derivative of a different function. You show it's not a derivative at all.

Look, you know that derivatives have the intermediate value property. Does h have the intermediate value property?

No because there is no intermediate value it is only 0 or 1...
 
Exactly. And that proves the theorem. Derivatives have the IVP, h does not, so h is not a derivative. That's all you need to say for that part of the problem.

As for finding two functions whose derivatives match h at every nonzero point, I'd look back to HallsofIvy's suggestion.
 
Citan Uzuki said:
Exactly. And that proves the theorem. Derivatives have the IVP, h does not, so h is not a derivative. That's all you need to say for that part of the problem.

As for finding two functions whose derivatives match h at every nonzero point, I'd look back to HallsofIvy's suggestion.

Thank you for everything. So one eq. Was obvious but to make another that isn't only different by a constant does this imply that I need a function that is composition which reduces to 1 as a derivative?
 
I'm not sure what you mean. You need a function whose derivative is 0 for x<0 and 1 for x>0 (this function will not be differentiable at zero). Then you need a second function of the same type that differs from the first by something that isn't a constant.

You really have to go with HallsofIvy's suggestion here, as there aren't any other functions with the correct derivative on [itex]\mathbb{R} \setminus \{ 0 \}[/itex]. This means that you need two functions of the form:
[tex]f(x) = \begin{cases} A & \text{if } x<0 \\ B+x & \text{if } x \geq 0 \end{cases}[/tex]

Note that you may choose the constants A and B independently.
 

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