Fundamental Frequency: Odd Harmonic?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the classification of the fundamental frequency in relation to harmonics, specifically whether it is considered an odd harmonic. Participants explore definitions, counting methods, and implications of terminology in the context of wave frequencies.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the fundamental frequency is the fundamental harmonic, while others argue it can be considered the zeroth harmonic.
  • One participant suggests that since the fundamental frequency corresponds to the first harmonic, it is classified as an odd harmonic due to the integer nature of its position.
  • Another participant mentions that the naming conventions do not affect the properties of the waveforms, highlighting the visual symmetry of waveforms consisting only of odd harmonics compared to those including even harmonics.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of zero being classified as even or odd and whether this classification is meaningful in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the fundamental frequency, with no consensus reached on whether it should be considered an odd harmonic or a zeroth harmonic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference definitions from Wikipedia and discuss the implications of terminology without resolving the underlying conceptual differences.

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Is the fundamental frequency considered an odd harmonic? Thanks for any clarification
 
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No. Its the fundamental harmonic. Anyways, you start counting from the (n+1) multiple right? So a wave of twice the fundamental frequency would be the first harmonic, thus it can't be odd.
 
It's the zeroth harmonic.
Is zero even or odd? Can you divide it by two? Is that a meaningful concept?
 
This is the Wikipedia definition of a harmonic:
A harmonic of a wave is a component frequency of the signal that is an integer multiple of the fundamental frequency, i.e. if the fundamental frequency is f, the harmonics have frequencies 2f, 3f, 4f, . . . etc.

So, the second harmonic is 2 times the fundamental.

But 1 is also an integer and it is an odd number. So, the fundamental is the 1st harmonic and it is an odd harmonic.

This is from Wikipedia's article on overtones:
Frequency... Order ...Name 1 ...Name 2 ...Name 3
1 · f = 440 Hz...n = 1...fundamental tone 1st harmonic ...1st partial
2 · f = 880 Hz...n = 2 ...1st overtone...2nd harmonic ...2nd partial
3 · f = 1320 Hz...n = 3 ...2nd overtone ...3rd harmonic ...3rd partial
4 · f = 1760 Hz ...n = 4 ...3rd overtone ...4th harmonic...4th partial
 
Woops - I meant zeroth overtone. Which I think is what chaoseverlasting was referring to. He was injecting his own special bit of chaos :-)

You are, of course, correct that the first harmonic would have to be the fundamental.
So anyway, who cares? Does the name you give it affect its properties?

What you can say about odd and even harmonics is that a waveform consisting only of odd harmonics (including 1st) will look symmetrical whereas one with a fundamental plus even harmonics will look asymmetrical.
 
Ah, sorry. I missed that. Thank you for correcting me.
 

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