Fundamental Theorem of Abelian Groups

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The discussion revolves around identifying two abelian groups of order 108 that possess exactly one subgroup of order 3. Participants reference the fundamental theorem of finite abelian groups and explore the implications of group isomorphisms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant lists possible abelian groups of order 108 and suggests that groups such as Z108, Z4 + Z27, and Z2 + Z2 + Z27 all have exactly one subgroup of order 3.
  • Another participant asserts that the groups Z108 and Z4 × Z27 are isomorphic.
  • A participant questions the terminology used, suggesting that "finitely-generated Abelian groups" is the more accurate term compared to "finite Abelian groups."
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the implications of the terminology, noting that while finite groups are included, the focus is on finitely generated groups.
  • Humor is introduced with a light-hearted comment about the naming of groups and their perceived characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology used to describe the groups and their properties. There is no consensus on the initial claim regarding the number of subgroups of order 3, as participants are exploring and refining their understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of precise terminology in the context of group theory, particularly distinguishing between finite and finitely generated groups. The discussion reflects ongoing exploration rather than settled conclusions.

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Show that there are two abelian groups of order 108 that have exactly one subgroup of order 3.

108 = 2^ 2 X 3 ^ 3

Using the fundamental theorem of finite abelian groups, we have

Possible abelian groups of order 108 can be : Z108, Z4 + Z27, Z2+Z2+Z27, Z4+Z9+Z3, Z2+Z2+Z9+Z3, Z4+Z3+Z3+Z3, Z2+Z2+Z3+Z3+Z3

It seems to me that all three Z108, Z4+Z27, Z2+Z2+Z27 have exactly one subgroup of order 3. Please suggest where am I going wrong ?
 
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mehtamonica said:
Show that there are two abelian groups of order 108 that have exactly one subgroup of order 3.

108 = 2^ 2 X 3 ^ 3

Using the fundamental theorem of finite abelian groups, we have

Possible abelian groups of order 108 can be : Z108, Z4 + Z27, Z2+Z2+Z27, Z4+Z9+Z3, Z2+Z2+Z9+Z3, Z4+Z3+Z3+Z3, Z2+Z2+Z3+Z3+Z3

It seems to me that all three Z108, Z4+Z27, Z2+Z2+Z27 have exactly one subgroup of order 3. Please suggest where am I going wrong ?

The groups [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{108}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{Z}_4\times \mathbb{Z}_{27}[/itex] are isomorphic.
 
micromass said:
The groups [itex]\mathbb{Z}_{108}[/itex] and [itex]\mathbb{Z}_4\times \mathbb{Z}_{27}[/itex] are isomorphic.

Thanks, Micromass.
 
Sorry to nitpick, mehtamonica: You may be using shorthand, but I think that should be finitely-generated Abelian groups, not finite Abelian groups.
 
huh?
 
Well, in the OP, in line 3, Mehtamonica referred to the' fundamental theorem of

finite Abelian groups' ; Z -integers is clearly not finite; so it is the FT of fin.gen.

Abelian groups.
 
Yes, it is usually phrased as finitely generated, although of course it will imply as a corollary that all finite ones must be the product of torsion groups (because they can't contain a Z term, and will obviously all be finitely generated still).
 
The groups [\tex]Z108 , Z4×Z27 [tex]are isomorphic<br /> <br /> Yes, but [\tex] Z108 [tex]has more music and less commercials!<br /> <br /> Always thought the [\tex] Z100's [tex]sound like radio stations.[/tex][/tex][/tex]
 

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