Gamma plus or minus gamma-beta, two different outcomes?

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The discussion centers around the mathematical expressions involving the Lorentz factor γ and the parameters β, specifically examining the equations γ(1+β) and γ(1-β). Participants explore the derivations and interpretations of these equations, referencing both algebraic and hyperbolic functions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and clarification of concepts related to special relativity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references Wikipedia's claim that γ(1+β) = √((1+β)/(1-β)), while expressing confusion over their own result of γ(1+β) = √((1+β²)/(1-β²)).
  • Another participant provides a derivation supporting the Wikipedia claim, breaking down the expression for γ and showing the steps leading to the conclusion.
  • Concerns are raised about potential mistakes in algebraic manipulations, particularly regarding the expansion of squares and the properties of square roots.
  • One participant attempts to clarify the expressions by relating them to hyperbolic functions, demonstrating the equivalence of the expressions through trigonometric identities.
  • Another participant expresses frustration over their calculations leading to unity for γ(1-β), questioning their understanding of calculus and seeking clarification.
  • Further calculations are presented, attempting to reconcile the expressions for γ(1-β) and γ(1+β) with the results derived from the Lorentz factor.
  • A later reply corrects a participant's misunderstanding of their calculations, emphasizing the importance of proper algebraic manipulation.
  • One participant acknowledges their mistakes and expresses gratitude for the corrections provided by others.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial claims regarding the expressions for γ(1+β) and γ(1-β). Multiple competing views and interpretations remain, with some participants correcting others' calculations without resolving the overall disagreement.

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Some calculations rely on specific algebraic manipulations that may not be universally accepted, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the variables involved. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and approaches to the mathematical expressions.

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In Wikipedia it reads that γ(1+β) = \sqrt{\frac{1+β}{1-β}}, however, if I did my homework correctly I get γ(1+β) = \sqrt{\frac{1+β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}. Digging more deeply into why Wikipedia is listing it as such I found that it is based on the hyperbolic angles:γ=coshΘ. But it leads to definitions, not an explanation. More interestingly, WikiPedia is equating γ(1-β) with \sqrt{\frac{1-β}{1+β}}. However, my calculations lead to

γ(1-β) =γ-γβ=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-β^{2}}}-\sqrt{\frac{β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}=\sqrt{\frac{1-β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}},

which is equal to unity. I guess I am doing something utterly wrong and it feels like as if I have to start over learning calculus. I truly hope someone is setting me straight,

thanks,
Alfred
 
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$$
\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \beta^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\left( 1 - \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}}
$$

$$
\gamma \left( 1 + \beta \right) = \gamma \sqrt{\left( 1 + \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)} = \sqrt{\frac{\left( 1 + \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}{\left( 1 - \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}} = \sqrt{\frac{1 + \beta}{1 - \beta}}
$$
 
ANvH said:
I get γ(1+β) = \sqrt{\frac{1+β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}.

This is where a mistake is; look at what Peter wrote. I am not sure, but did you make the mistake

$$\left( 1 + \beta \right)^2 = 1^2 + \beta^2?$$

In general, ##\left( x + y\right)^2 = x^2 + 2xy + y^2 \ne x^2 + y^2##.

Also, below, you seem to be saying ##\sqrt{x} - \sqrt{y} = \sqrt{x -y}##, which is not correct.

ANvH said:
\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-β^{2}}}-\sqrt{\frac{β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}=\sqrt{\frac{1-β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}
 
PeterDonis said:
$$
\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - \beta^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{\left( 1 - \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}}
$$

$$
\gamma \left( 1 + \beta \right) = \gamma \sqrt{\left( 1 + \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)} = \sqrt{\frac{\left( 1 + \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}{\left( 1 - \beta \right) \left( 1 + \beta \right)}} = \sqrt{\frac{1 + \beta}{1 - \beta}}
$$

Transcribing into trigonometry...

\cosh\theta<br /> =\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\tanh^2\theta}}<br /> =\frac{1}{\sqrt{(1-\tanh\theta)(1+\tanh\theta)}}<br />

<br /> \cosh\theta(1+\tanh\theta)<br /> =\cosh\theta\sqrt{(1+\tanh\theta)(1+\tanh\theta)}<br /> =\sqrt{\frac{ {(1+\tanh\theta)(1+\tanh\theta)}}{{(1-\tanh\theta)(1+\tanh\theta)}}}<br /> =\sqrt{\frac{ {1+\tanh\theta}}{{1-\tanh\theta}}}<br />However, thinking trigonometrically...

Strating from the LHS:
<br /> \cosh\theta(1+\tanh\theta)<br /> =\cosh\theta(1+\frac{\sinh\theta}{\cosh\theta})<br /> =\cosh\theta+\sinh\theta<br /> =e^{\theta}<br />Starting from the RHS:
<br /> \sqrt{\frac{ {1+\tanh\theta}}{{1-\tanh\theta}}}<br /> =\sqrt{\frac{ 1+\frac{\sinh\theta}{\cosh\theta}}{{1-\frac{\sinh\theta}{\cosh\theta}}}}<br /> =\sqrt{\frac{ \cosh\theta+\sinh\theta}{\cosh\theta-\sinh\theta}}<br /> =\left(\frac{e^\theta}{e^{-\theta}}\right)^{1/2}=e^{\theta}<br />

Note
<br /> \cosh\theta(1-\tanh\theta)<br /> =\cosh\theta-\sinh\theta<br /> =\cosh(-\theta)+\sinh(-\theta)<br /> =e^{-\theta}<br /> =1/e^{\theta}=\sqrt{\frac{1-\tanh\theta}{1+\tanh\theta}}<br />
 
ANvH said:
However, my calculations lead to

γ(1-β) =γ-γβ=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-β^{2}}}-\sqrt{\frac{β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}=\sqrt{\frac{1-β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}},

which is equal to unity. I guess I am doing something utterly wrong and it feels like as if I have to start over learning calculus. I truly hope someone is setting me straight,

Try this:

γ(1-β) =γ-γβ=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-β^{2}}}-\sqrt{\frac{β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}=\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}-\frac{β}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}\right)=\frac{(1-β)}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}=\frac{\sqrt{(1-β)(1-β)}}{\sqrt{(1-β)(1+β)}}=\frac{\sqrt{1-β}}{\sqrt{1+β}}

and

γ(1+β) =γ+γβ=\sqrt{\frac{1}{1-β^{2}}}+\sqrt{\frac{β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}=\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}+\frac{β}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}\right)=\frac{(1+β)}{\sqrt{1-β^2}}=\frac{\sqrt{(1+β)(1+β)}}{\sqrt{(1-β)(1+β)}}=\frac{\sqrt{1+β}}{\sqrt{1-β}}
 
ANvH said:
In Wikipedia it reads that γ(1+β) = \sqrt{\frac{1+β}{1-β}}, however, if I did my homework correctly I get γ(1+β) = \sqrt{\frac{1+β^{2}}{1-β^{2}}}.

Sorry, you didn't do you homework correctly :-(

##\gamma(1+\beta) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{1-\beta^2}}(1+\beta) = \sqrt{\frac{(1+\beta)^2}{1-\beta^2}} = \sqrt{\frac{(1+\beta)(1+\beta)}{(1+\beta)(1-\beta)}} = \sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}}##

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I am grateful to all of you. Yes, I made a big mistake, thanks to using Microsoft Equation Editor, where I fooled myself. Always use pen and paper. This is not meant as an excuse, I stand corrected.
 

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