Gamma Radiation: How Does It Pass Through & Damage the Body?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of gamma radiation on the human body, particularly how it interacts with matter, the potential for damage, and the implications of exposure. Participants explore the nature of gamma photons, their ability to penetrate the body, and the biological consequences of such interactions, including the concept of radioactivity and the measurement of radiation exposure.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that while most gamma radiation passes through the body, a few photons interact with atoms in cells, potentially causing damage.
  • There is a discussion about how gamma radiation does not typically make the body radioactive, as there is no ongoing nuclear reaction from exposure.
  • Some argue that the energy of gamma photons is significant, as it can lead to the ejection of electrons that ionize molecules, causing damage such as DNA modification.
  • Concerns are raised about free radicals generated from ionization and their potential to cause cell mutations, which could lead to cancer.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of devices like Geiger counters in measuring past radiation exposure, emphasizing that they cannot detect radiation from the body after exposure.
  • There is a distinction made between direct exposure to radiation and contamination from inhaled or ingested radioactive materials, with the latter posing a longer-term hazard.
  • Some participants mention that exposure to high doses of radiation can be lethal, but question whether a corpse would remain radioactive without contamination from radioactive materials.
  • It is noted that gamma radiation itself does not cause materials to become radioactive unless there is significant neutron radiation involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the effects of gamma radiation, the nature of radioactivity, and the implications of exposure. There is no clear consensus on several points, particularly regarding the measurement of radiation and the conditions under which materials become radioactive.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific assumptions about radiation exposure and the nature of gamma radiation, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes various perspectives on the biological effects of radiation and the mechanisms of damage, highlighting the complexity of the topic.

daisey
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Question about Gamma Radiation. I understand that Gamma Radiation, like X-Rays, are just photons (light particles) at different frequencies. I was reading an article about the Nuclear Plant problems in Japan, and the article stated that photons from Gamma Radiation for the most part pass through the body due to their energy, and because at the quantum particle level, human bodies (and most matter) are mostly empty space. Is this true, and if so how does Gamma Radiation then damage the body?
 
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Most of gamma radiation passes through, but not all.
 
OK. So the few photons that do not pass through the body strikes (or otherwise modifies) the atoms comprising the cells inside our bodies. How do these photons now make out bodies "radioactive"? What makes the effect an ongoing reaction inside the body?
 
daisey said:
OK. So the few photons that do not pass through the body strikes (or otherwise modifies) the atoms comprising the cells inside our bodies. How do these photons now make out bodies "radioactive"? What makes the effect an ongoing reaction inside the body?

Being exposed to radiation typically does not make the exposed material radioactive itself. There is typically no ongoing nuclear reaction.
 
A lot depends on the energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_radiation#Matter_interaction

Basically once the gamma photon hits something it is this something that becomes the problem, like ejected electron that ionizes molecules on its path. Note that these electrons are produced inside of the body, they are not stopped by the clothing/radiation suits.
 
Borek said:
Basically once the gamma photon hits something it is this something that becomes the problem, like ejected electron that ionizes molecules on its path. Note that these electrons are produced inside of the body, they are not stopped by the clothing/radiation suits.

But this process of ionization is over with in a matter of microseconds -- if you look at what the OP was asking, he/she was assuming that the person's body would stay radioactive.
 
bcrowell said:
But this process of ionization is over with in a matter of microseconds -- if you look at what the OP was asking, he/she was assuming that the person's body would stay radioactive.

Right, but the problem with ionization in the body is that free radicals can modify DNA, possibly causing cell mutation to cancer. This is the most dangerous kind of damage that gamma radiation causes to the body.
 
bcrowell said:
But this process of ionization is over with in a matter of microseconds -- if you look at what the OP was asking, he/she was assuming that the person's body would stay radioactive.

When you see someone take a device (Geiger Counter?) on tv to measure the amount of radiation one has received, if the body is no longer radioactive, what is the device measuring? Or do those devices not work for Gamma radiation?
 
daisey said:
When you see someone take a device (Geiger Counter?) on tv to measure the amount of radiation one has received, if the body is no longer radioactive, what is the device measuring? Or do those devices not work for Gamma radiation?

It doesn't work that way. You cannot measure the radiation dose a person has received in the past by using a Geiger counter. Typically if you work with radiation, you wear a badge all the time, and it measures your accumulated dose.
 
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fzero said:
Right, but the problem with ionization in the body is that free radicals can modify DNA, possibly causing cell mutation to cancer. This is the most dangerous kind of damage that gamma radiation causes to the body.

This applies to all ionizing radiation, not just gammas.

Actually, at low doses, ionizing radiation is probably good for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
 
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bcrowell said:
It doesn't work that way. You cannot measure the radiation dose a person has received in the past by using a Geiger counter. Typically if you work with radiation, you wear a badge all the time, and it measures your accumulated dose.

Well, I remember seeing technicians on TV wearing white masks waving these electronic devices over people, and I thought they were measuring radioactivity. Maybe they were measuring radioactivity from inhaled contaminants, which I understand do radiate for some time.
 
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daisey said:
Well, I remember seeing technicians on TV wearing white masks waving these electronic devices over people, and I thought they were measuring radioactivity. Maybe they were measuring radioactivity from inhaled contaminants, which I understand do radiate for some time.

Don't believe what you see on TV. It is almost always wrong. The only radiation that would be detectable from inside you would be gamma radiation from inhaled/ingested particles. I think it's just a widespread misunderstanding on how radiation works and a misportrayal on TV because of this.

Edit: Although if you are talking about real life stuff, like the Japan disaster, then see jshine's post below.
 
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daisey said:
Well, I remember seeing technicians on TV wearing white masks waving these electronic devices over people, and I thought they were measuring radioactivity. Maybe they were measuring radioactivity from inhaled contaminants, which I understand do radiate for some time.

There are two slightly different hazards in a reactor accident. On the one hand, you could be exposed to to radiation directly (i.e., like an having an X-ray), or you could inhale or become covered in radioactive dust.

In the 1st case, you would not stay radioactive but could still be damaged by the radiation. In the 2nd case, the dust would stick on your skin or inside your body and you could become detectably radioactive. In general this 2nd case is more damaging, since the radioactive materials can become incorporated into your body, and you absorb radiation over a very long period of time.

It's this 2nd case that the technicians were attempting to detect.
 
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jshine said:
In the 1st case, you would not stay radioactive but could still be damaged by the radiation.

The CDC states that someone exposed to about 10 grays (externally, no internal ingestion of dust, etc.), they could expect to die in 2 weeks.

Would the corpse be radioactive?
 
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gabvqz said:
The CDC states that someone exposed to about 10 grays (externally, no internal ingestion of dust, etc.), they could expect to die in 2 weeks.

Would the corpse be radioactive?

Only if they were contaminated with radioactive material, or exposed to large amounts of neutron radiation. The latter is extremely rare and would only occur if you were at ground zero of a nuclear bomb, or in close proximity to a nuclear reactor.
 
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gabvqz said:
The CDC states that someone exposed to about 10 grays (externally, no internal ingestion of dust, etc.), they could expect to die in 2 weeks.

Would the corpse be radioactive?

No. Without ingesting or inhaling any radioactive material, the only way to get harmed by radiation is from Gamma or Neutron radiation. Gamma radiation will NOT cause anything to become radioactive.

Like QP said above me, the only way for someone to be radioactive in this case would be to have EXTREMELY large doses of neutron radiation. You will NOT get this without being very very close to something like a nuclear reactor or a nuke.
 

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