Gas work -- Heating the gas in a cylinder with a weighted piston on top

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving an ideal diatomic gas in a cylindrical chamber with a piston. The problem includes determining the final temperature of the gas, the total heat received, and the efficiency of the piston stroke, given initial conditions such as pressure, temperature, and height of the piston.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work done by the gas and the heat added, referencing the first law of thermodynamics. There are attempts to relate the work done to the pressure and height of the gas. Some participants question whether the process is adiabatic, considering the heat exchange involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about assumptions such as the presence of vacuum and the nature of the process. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations or interpretations.

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There is a noted lack of information regarding the molar amount of gas, which is impacting the ability to calculate changes in internal energy. Participants are considering how to derive this missing information from the initial conditions provided.

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Homework Statement


In the open cylindrical chamber is the piston of the total mass m. The initial air pressure inside the container is pa, the initial temperature T0. The initial height of the piston above the bottom h0. Now we start the gas supply heat to the moment when the piston reaches the height h above the bottom of the container .Air is ideal diatomic gas.

a / determine the final temperature T of the air inside the container

b / specify the total heat Q which air is received in the container

c / determine the efficiency of the piston stroke - ratio performed mechanical work and the total heat to the air inside the cylinder accepted

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Homework Equations


F = mgΔh
W = F * ( h-h0) = p * S * ( h-h0) = p * ΔV
pV = nRT
paV0/T0 = p V/T

The Attempt at a Solution


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work necessary for the piston stroke of the mass m ...W = F*Δh = m*g*Δh = m*g* ( h-h0)
 
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it is an adiabatic process? pVκ = konst.
 
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charlie05 said:
it is an adiabatic process? pVκ = konst.
How can it be adiabatic if you are adding heat?
 
charlie05 said:
work necessary for the piston stroke of the mass m ...W = F*Δh = m*g*Δh = m*g* ( h-h0)
Is there vacuum outside the container? If so, then you have calculated the work correctly.

From a force balance on the piston, how is mg related to pa and S? Does the gas pressure change? What is the work in terms of pa, S, and Δh? What is the initial volume in terms of h0 and S? What is the final volume in terms of h and S? From the ideal gas law, what is the final temperature in terms of h, h0, T0?
 
yes, there occurs heat exchange, I understand...no vacuum, out is atmospheric pressure...

the initial volume V0 = S*h0
the final volume V = S*h

so answer a/ V/V0 = T/T0...T = T0*h/h0
 
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b/ The first law of thermodynamics
Q = W + ΔU system

W = F*Δh = m*g*Δh = m*g* ( h-h0)

ΔU = Ek = 3/2 nRT...?
 
charlie05 said:
b/ The first law of thermodynamics
Q = W + ΔU system

W = F*Δh = m*g*Δh = m*g* ( h-h0)

ΔU = Ek = 3/2 nRT...?
This is on the right track. But, if there is air outside then the work you calculated is not correct. From a force balance on the piston, $$P_aS=P_0S+mg$$where ##P_a## is the gas pressure and ##P_0## is the outside pressure. So the work the gas does on the piston is $$W=P_aS(h-h_0)=(P_0S+mg)(h-h_0)$$

Also, for a diatomic gas, the change in internal energy should be $$\Delta U=\frac{5}{2}nR(T-T_0)$$
 
aha, thank you, now I see it...
c/ η = W/Q...?
 
But I have a problem, I do not know molar amount n, I can not therefore calculate ΔU :-(
 
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charlie05 said:
But I have a problem, I do not know molar amount n, I can not therefore calculate ΔU :-(
Really? I think you have enough information to determine n. What do you think?
 
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Can I express it from the initial state?

pa * S * h0 = nRTo... n = (pa * V0)/R *T 0
 
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charlie05 said:
Can I express it from the initial state?

pa * S * h0 = nRTo... n = (pa * V0)/R *T 0
Yes.
 
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Q = W + ΔU = (p0S + mg ) ( h-h0 ) + 5/2 R ( T-T0) * ( (p0Sh0)/RT0 )
 
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charlie05 said:
Q = W + ΔU = (p0S + mg ) ( h-h0 ) + 5/2 R ( T-T0) * ( (p0Sh0)/RT0 )
The ##\Delta U## should have pa=p0, not p0. And, in that term, you should eliminate T and T0. Also, in the W term, you should use paS in place of (p0S + mg ).
 

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