Gauss' Law: Charged Rod & Sphere (Electric Flux)

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The problem involves a charged, straight line (rod) with a uniform distribution of charge and its effect on electric flux through a sphere. The scenario is analyzed for two cases based on the relationship between the sphere's radius and the distance from the rod.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the conditions under which electric flux is present based on the position of the charged rod relative to the sphere. They express uncertainty about calculating the electric field and integrating to find the flux.
  • Some participants question how to determine the charge enclosed within the spherical surface when the radius is greater than the distance to the rod.
  • Others suggest that computing the electric field directly may be overly complex and propose using Gauss' Law to simplify the problem.

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Participants have provided insights into the problem, with some suggesting alternative approaches to finding the enclosed charge rather than calculating the electric field directly. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the problem without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's inexperience with electric fields and integrals, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge that may affect their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement


A charged, straight line/rod of infinite length has a Discrete uniform distribution of charge, has a linear density of λ and is at a distance d from a sphere with a radius of R.

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Find the entirety of the Electrical Flux that is caused by this charged rod, which passes through the surface of the sphere.

a) When R < d
b) When R > d

Homework Equations


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ΦΕ = ∫E⋅dA (for a surface)

ΦΕ = qinternal0 (Gauss' Law)

E = ke∫(dq/r2)r (the r here is a Euclidean Vector)

λ = Q/l

The Attempt at a Solution



a) Okay, so we know that we have an Electrical Flux only when there is a charge inside the sphere/surrounding shape, because otherwise all the lines of the Electric Field go through one point of the shape, and leave through another, resulting in ΦΕ = 0.

Because R < d, the rod/line is outside the sphere, and thus what we described above happens.

β) Here's where I'm stuck. My initial idea was:

-I'll find E.
-Then I'll use the ΦΕ = ∫E⋅dA (for a surface)

Problem is, I'm not sure how to tackle the finding E part. All the exercises I did on that part where with a straight rod on the x axis. Basically I'm having trouble with doing the integration at E = ke∫dq/r2r

I'm having a bit of trouble with all the integrals and whatnot here, so I could use a nudge or two. Electrics is entirely new to me so I don't have anywhere to run back to, like with previous semesters.

Any help is appreciated!
 

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When R > d, can you find the charge enclosed inside the spherical surface?
 
You don't need to compute ## E ##. Trying to compute the flux that way and evaluating the surface integral would be extremely difficult. The result can be determined much easier: ## \int E \cdot dA=\frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\epsilon_o} ##. For ## R>d ##, it is a geometry problem to compute the charge enclosed by the sphere, but readily workable.
 
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TSny said:
When R > d, can you find the charge enclosed inside the spherical surface?
Charles Link said:
You don't need to compute ## E ##. Trying to compute the flux that way and evaluating the surface integral would be extremely difficult. The result can be determined much easier: ## \int E \cdot dA=\frac{Q_{enclosed}}{\epsilon_o} ##. For ## R>d ##, it is a geometry problem to compute the charge enclosed by the sphere, but readily workable.
Sorry for not responding earlier, yesterday was a tough day.

Ah, yeah, now I see it.

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(I drew a sketch, but the phone's acting up and not sending the pic through email, so I just did a crude drawing in Paint)

From each triangle we have: R2 = d2 + x2 <=> x = √(R2 - d2)

We also know that if we have a Discrete uniform distribution of charge, Q = λ*L.

So Qinternal = λ*(x+x) = 2λ√(R2 - d2)

And thus ΦΕ = 2λ√(R2 - d2)/ε0

That's it, right? That's the book's answer.
 

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Yes, that looks good.
 
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Alright, thanks for the help everyone!
 
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