Gauss's Law in Matter: What is It?

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The discussion centers on Gauss's Law in dielectric materials, exploring its formulation and implications compared to its application in a vacuum. Participants examine the differences in equations and concepts related to linear, homogeneous, and isotropic dielectrics, as well as the role of electric displacement fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Poisson equation in a vacuum and questions how it translates to a dielectric material, suggesting a modification involving relative permittivity.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the nature of charge in vacuum and emphasizes the distinction between linear and non-linear dielectrics.
  • A participant discusses the integral form of Gauss's law and its relationship to charge density, questioning how these equations apply in materials.
  • One participant clarifies that Poisson's equation differs from Gauss's Law and notes that Gauss's Law in matter involves the displacement vector and free charge.
  • A resource is shared that outlines the differential and integral forms of Gauss's law in a dielectric medium.
  • A later reply proposes a modified equation for Poisson's law in dielectrics, referencing a specific equation from the shared resource.
  • Another participant confirms the validity of the proposed equation for linear and homogeneous dielectrics.
  • It is noted that Gauss's Law in a dielectric involves the electric displacement field and the relationship between electric field and electrostatic potential is reiterated.

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Participants express differing views on the formulation of Gauss's Law in dielectric materials, with some agreeing on the use of electric displacement fields while others challenge the proposed equations and their dimensional correctness. No consensus is reached on the exact formulation or implications of Gauss's Law in this context.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about linearity, homogeneity, and isotropy of dielectrics, as well as the implications of using different forms of Gauss's Law and Poisson's equation. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the mathematical relationships involved.

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Hi,

The Poisson equation (or Gauss Law) in a vacuum is given by
\nabla^2\phi=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_0}
where \rho \mbox{ and } \epsilon_0 are the charge density and vacuum permittivity or (electric constant of space).

My question is what is the Gauss's Law in a dielectric material? Do we simply replace the vacuum permittivity by the permittivity of the material?
ie.
\nabla^2\phi=\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_r}
where above \epsilon_r is the relative permittivity (or permittivity of the dielectric material).


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Hi,

I would check some books for follow up.

How is it Gauss's law in vacuum? What is then carrying the charge?

Beyond that I think it matters whether you're talking linear dielectric or non-linear dielectric.

For a linear dielectric if you state it using the fields use the displacement field instead of the electric field and then it accounts for the free charge with the new permittivity.
 
From what I've read, Gauss's law is usually given in its integral form, saying that "the amount of electric flux through a surface is proportional to the amount of charge within that closed surface".
Then the differential form is derived using divergence theorem relating the divergence of the electric field to the surface charge density \rho.

So in short everything seems to be in a vacuum. But how do these equations compare if say we have a linear, homogeneous, isotropic material?
 
Poissons equation is bit different from Gauss Law(In addition to it,Poissons eqn requires that the field is derivable from a scalar potential)

Coming to the point,In matter, Gauss Law is expressed as the surface Integral of the the displacement vecotr being equal to the the total enclosed free charge.
If the matter is linear and Homogeneous,it can be written in form of Poissons equation with source Free charge divided by epsilon.
The equation you proposed is dimensionally incorrect,as you can see.
 
Thank you all for your responses. jtbell the resource you linked to is very informative, thank you.

Following equation 813, would it be correct to deduce
\nabla^2\phi=-\frac{\rho_{f}}{\epsilon \epsilon_0}
 
Yes,for Linear and Homogeneous dielectrics
 
and isotropic
 
In a dielectric material, Gauss's Law holds for the electric displacement field \mathbf{D}:
<br /> \nabla \cdot \mathbf{D} = \rho_f<br />
where \rho_f is the free charge density.

The dielectric is modeled by a relative dielectric constant, which meaning (for an isotropic medium) is:
<br /> \mathbf{D} = \varepsilon_0 \, \varepsilon_r \, \mathbf{E}<br />
The electric field, being irrotational, is still derivable from the electrostatic potential:
<br /> \mathbf{E} = -\nabla \, \phi<br />
 

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